Jewish students chained themselves to gates at Columbia University Wednesday in support of Mahmoud Khalil, the former Columbia student protest leader now in an ICE jail in Louisiana. On March 8th, federal agents detained Khalil at his university-owned apartment building, even though he’s a legal permanent resident of the United States. They revoked his green card.
Crazy a bunch of antismetites chained themselves to a gate, because as we know antisemitism is when Jewish people (one semetic group) stands in solidarity with Arabs (another semetic group). Specifically its antisemtisim because a bunch of Right wing European politicians (who arent semetic) got offended
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Palestinians aren’t Arabs. They’ve mixed with them, but they’re the non diasporic jews. Most are Muslim yes, but that’s because Islam was very successful at getting converts at that time and place. They also contain the oldest group of Christians, and plenty of people who said fuck that to all the new prophets and messiahs as well as to the romans trying to make them leave.
I wouldnt quite call them non-diasporic Jews, theu absolutely have Jewish ancestory but afaik its not the majority of their ancestry. Also a lot of their ancestry comes from Caaninite groups.
They’re obviously antisemites…
(And /s, because in the current climate, that may not be obvious)
Here is everyone’s nearly daily reminder that there is a difference between antisemitism and antizionism.
Criticizing the Israeli government and its leaders is not the same as criticising all Jewish people.
The Zionists want to conflate these things so they can hide in plain sight and have people that aren’t paying attention defend their war crimes.
I thought zionism was a belief that Israel should exist.
From WordNet ® 3.0 (2006) [wn]:
Zionism
n 1: a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine
2: a movement of world Jewry that arose late in the 19th century with the aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine [syn: {Zionism}, {Zionist movement}]
therefore I’ve always taken anyone who says,“I’m not antisemetic, I just think Israel shouldn’t exist (IE, anti-zionist)” is a closet antisemite at best. Like a smug dork saying,“I’m not Republican, I’m Libertarian!” And I don’t really thinks it’s a game of semantics. It is semantics.
I can say that I really think the current Israeli gov’t should be exiled on St. Helena and not allowed to leave or communicate forever, but that doesn’t mean I’m anti-zionist. People who are anti-zionist seem to only have a selective and limited knowledge of a few thousand years of the history of the area.
Edit: Wow. A lot of “fuck the Jews” (historically from the area and persecuted in every surrounding country). Also a lot of “no, that means what I want it to mean, not what the word’s definition is”. Very right wingy. One of the topics I once again failed to keep away from. Freaking third rail on Lemmy to say anything about the problems in the mideast other than,“It’s the Jews fault.” I agree, fuck the settlers and the Israeli gov’t right now, but that doesn’t seem to matter. Again, very right wingy. Something doesn’t work to satisfaction, so instead of fixing it, just get rid of it. Seems like the current US gov’t approach to “fixing”.
therefore I’ve always taken anyone who says,“I’m not antisemetic, I just think Israel shouldn’t exist (IE, anti-zionist)” is a closet antisemite at best.
There are whole sects of Judaism that are anti-Zionist. Zionism/Israel are not synonymous with Judaism or Jewishness in any way and there are both secular and religious anti-Zionist Jewish organizations.
People who are anti-zionist seem to only have a selective and limited knowledge of a few thousand years of the history of the area.
Yes, tell us more about people with a selective and limited knowledge of the history or the area.
That’s the original simpler definition, but as with many words and phrases, time has changed the meaning in real world usage. Modern usage of the term should probably be referred to more as Revisionist Zionism, but everything gets simplified for modern short attention spans.
This is characterized by territorial maximalism and the idea that Israel should conquer more territory, at any cost. This is clearly the modem day Israeli government perspective. Settlements and the denial of Palestinian rights are a core part of Revisionist Zionism because of that. It is not compatible with a two-state solution, much less a one-state equal rights solution. Which is why it needs to be separated from general antisemitism.
I also have to say though that they’ve had nearly 80 years to figure this out with Israel being the de facto leadership because of British decisions post-war, maybe it’s time that the Palestinians had a chance instead. It was those British decisions after all that took the land promised to the Palestinians for their assistance, to create Israel in the first place.
Sort of a side tangent about definitions. I was always taught, by someone that was previously pro Israel, Zionism is simply the desire of return to the homeland. Which is a very watered down dishonest definition hiding the nationalism of a desire for an ethostate. If someone thinks it means just returning home, then their view of others calling it evil makes it feel like antisemitism, even if it’s not. People can’t communicate because the laymen’s words often get used in 100 different ways that don’t match. I think that’s often one source of miscommunication even among well meaning people. Another is that the anti Israel movement is peppered with actual anti-Semites poisoning the well. I’ve protested against Israel, but as a Jew it can be very uncomfortable, I’ve repeatedly met actual anti-Semites that way. I think these things make it very easy for people dug in to see antisemitism everywhere.
I see that reaction from my father all the time. He’s a lefty, progressive, but talk about Israel and you have to tread very carefully. He hates the Likud and present day genocide, but is suspicious of the motives of a lot of the outside criticism.
I’m an anti-Zionist because I don’t think Britain had the right to carve up Mandatory Palestine. I don’t think Israel should have been created, but I also think nobody has the right to get rid of them now. There might come a point when the Israeli government is as unsalvageable as the third reich, but just as there’s now Germany where that had been, I don’t think the solution is to just remove the people who are citizens of Israel. I do wish the world were better at enforcing consequences on countries/leaders for bad actions though.
Well said
Create a Jewish homeland in Florida, then. Stop murdering and brutalising the indigenous Palestinians.
Inb4 Donald Trump calls for all of them to be sent to Gulagtanimo Bay.
I’d love to see more protests like this, America!
