• tamal3@lemmy.world
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      Maybe announcing a new party is premature, but at least talking about steps to realistically forming one would be huge. We need a revolutionary overhaul of our 2-party political system, and I posit that most Americans, those that voted and those who didn’t, would agree that 2 bad options is not a real choice.

      The binary creates the illusion of choice.

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        Thinking like this is why you are where you are with all those nukes. Form a party. Let more parties form. Ditch MSM and CSM (Centralised Social Media) and let the people decide.

        If you want to have a country without kings, you need to be prepared to have absolutely no daddy on any front, including parties and media.

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        The ones that are in charge will not allow anyone that is a threat to their authority or power to mount any attempt to change the party.

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        I’d have agreed with you pre-2025. But I could see it now. The Dems have been letting us down over and over again. We need a party that cuts out billionaire money and promises to enforce the same on all politicians once they take power.

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          The problem is, it is very hard to win elections without money. So a party that cuts out billionaire spending is less likely to win while also splitting the dem vote.

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            Democrats outraised trump and still lost.

            You need to not tell your voters to fuck off if you can imagine that.

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              The DNC didn’t have foreign bot farms and billionaires on their side.

              Elon literally bought votes but you don’t count that when you say “outraised Trump”.

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                The DNC didn’t have foreign bot farms and billionaires on their side.

                I know! Maybe if they abandon everyone that you don’t care about and focus only on the bot farms and billionaires that you do care about, they’ll win!

                Democrats can’t keep moving to the right like you want them to. They hit a wall. They peeled off none of the republican votes you envy. But they got to throw people you hate under the bus, so it’s good for you.

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            The Democrats wanted to tax the rich and they still got way more donations than Trump, but all of that pales in comparison to buying out Twitter.

            You don’t have to be poor to see that Republicans are a threat to us all.

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            Splitting the dem vote implies that Democrats are entitled to all votes, not Republican. They have never done anything to earn mine. And after lurching far to the right, like they did this last election, I can’t see how anyone thinks that they have earned their vote.

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          It could still be something like 40% third party 15% democrats and 45% republicans, unless Republicans split as well, a third party can only make the “left” weaker.

          We see it in Europe in countries where the left parties refuse to create alliances for ideological reasons.

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            Either that it would result in the Democratic party collapsing entirely, why would anyone vote for it if there was a better alternative available? You might see the Republicans win an election or two but that happens anyways

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            Why are you posting irrelevant bullshit? We’re not talking about running a “third party” candidate. We’re talking about destroying the Democratic party and rebuilding it into something that isn’t traitorous and corrupt.

            it’s time for the Democrats to go the way of the Whigs.

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              Sounds like you’re warming up for the next election when you’ll be trying to convince people not to vote or vote 3rd party.

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                This logic of yours? Has it actually resulted in snowing or stopping fascism? Now it hasn’t. Maybe it’s time we try something different than what’s obviously not working

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        Well… Considering that following the election, it was the third largest party by popular vote… It worked wonders for the Reform Party.