“Democracy sustains capitalism. Capitalism thrives in a democracy. And, right now, we are dealing with, as I called him at my speech on the Ellipse, a tyrant,” she said, referencing her rally last year on the White House Ellipse in Washington. “We used to compare the strength of our democracy to communist dictators. That’s what we’re dealing with right now in Donald Trump. And these titans of industry are not speaking up,”

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    He has taken some very communist steps. The government has taken stake in Nvidia and Intel, as well as received voting shares in Nippon Steel. His government has literally started seizing the means of production…

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      Those aren’t even under the illusion of the workers owning the means of production, though.

      It’s fascism, utilizing the pre-existing Christian fundamentalism of American conservatism. The fact it includes kleptocratic state capitalism doesn’t change the fascism, or its means of attaining power.

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      Complete misunderstanding of what the term even means. Like I said in another comment, it’s incorrect, antiquated boomer speak.

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        Jeepers, did you ever consider the fact that the Nazis have a better understanding of communication than you do? Do you understand about messaging and target audience? Do you think you’re the target audience for this statement? Do you think Kamal Harris is speaking to your personal understanding of what communism is? Or do you think she is speaking to 50 years of US propaganda? And the description that would be readily recognized by most republican voters? Do you think everything is about you?

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          So she’s still out there pandering to right wing voters? No wonder she lost.

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          So good communication is lying to people instead of trying to achieve higher understanding? Just keep dumbing down discourse so long as it gets you some short-term gain?

          Wow, with thought like that it’s no wonder Americans voted in fascism. You’re supposed to be on the “good” side? I see why Democrats are more than happy to smash leftists teeth in alongside their fascist counterparts. 'm sure you’ll get there when chips are down.

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            Let me critique this critique because the critique is not hard enough, and it also hurts my feelings more than the fascist stealing my government.

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            I mean she’s doing more than you are doing to oppose your enemies currently. Seriously have any of you armchair communist done anything? Are you guys still in fighting over labels? Like the fastest have pretty much taken full control and you are picking apart Kamala Harris‘s press briefing. And you’re saying, I am a fucking sympathizer.

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      Communism is the people taking control of production right? Not the fascist dictator.

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        This is a great question! You’re basically correct, but there are a few additional things. As far as the relationship between workers/consumers and the means of production is that of social ownership. Rather than an individual (or individuals) privately owning the means of production and purchasing labor from workers, the workers, consumers, and society as a whole collectively own and operate the means of production.

        Additionally, the economic system is not a market system. Instead, investments, production, and allocation of capital goods (resources/products which are used either as ingredients for another product or as machinery/tools to produce another product) are planned, and not left up to “market forces”.

        There are some aspects which are debated among communist philosophers. One major aspect is whether the economic planning would/should be centrally or decentrally done. The USSR had a primarily centrally planned economy. Others (myself included) advocate for a decentrally planned system.

        Some things, which are usually stated, as being part of communism, are that society is moneyless, stateless, and classless. Starting with moneyless, if goods are exchanged on a market, an intermediate good is usually used specifically for exchange purposes (currency/money). If goods are not exchanged on a market, money is less necessary, so it is expected to be phased out.

        Many philosophers say that the state’s purpose is to “ease” tensions between classes, and enforce economic policies. If there are no classes, and goods and services are “produced based on ability, and distributed based on need”, the primary purposes of the state no longer exist, so it would likely “whither away”. Anarchists generally argue for an immediate dissolution of the state.

        The keen eyed, among you readers, might wonder how the planning could be done without a state, especially if the planning is central. I would be interested in the answer to that, myself. There are a few books talking about a post-capitalist system. I recommend No Bosses and Inventing the Future.

        Hope this helps!

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      That’s what’s called “crony capitalism”, in this case. Communism is something completely different.