I absolutely despise trump. With that said, I hope we never see her as president. She’s insanely out of of touch with the common folk. I’d much rather see AOC or that Texas democrat dude with the ears
I will take any functioning adult who I can not easily visualize mentally as a 1940’s German officer.
… so … umm… Trump?
I mean those guys were fit and all.
I dunno mate Hitler was proper crazy by my understanding of history.
Sure, but also a war veteran of one of the shittiest wars in history. I’m not excusing the man’s action (fucking obviously I hope), just saying that Trump and fellas have experienced nothing even remotely like that. Even the guys who have participated in US “wars” haven’t.
Ditto. She would have made a terrible president. My mind was made when she didn’t ask for a recount. I hope we don’t see her in 2028. I hope we make it to 2028…
There’s this whole slew of Americans who want ranked choice voting and just can’t articulate or perhaps even fathom that that’s what they want.
Yes, I would love to see Beto or AOC!
Rep Tallarico?
If she shut up and went away, then protesters probably wouldn’t bother her.
Why should she do that?
If you lose to Donald Fucking Trump, you should be too ashamed to show your face in public.
I think her stances on all important political and economic issues were better than Trump’s. The American people want unpredictable tariffs, authoritarianism, and an end to the rules-based international order that the US established in the wake of the second world war. She offered a reasonable alternative, and it was rejected by the American people. I don’t think she should need to be ashamed about that.
That’s a pretty emotional argument. She’s a mature woman in her 70’s. I doubt she would see it the way you do.
Would you end your current career if you had some sort of major failure? Personally, I would try to learn from it and do better next time.
Kamala Harris is 60.
Makes sense.
If my failure caused 4 years of Donald Trump? Yes, I would find another career. How many fully loaded 747s can a pilot crash before they shouldn’t be speaking authoritatively on how to fly planes?
You really like false equivalency arguments, don’t you? Harris didn’t singlehandedly cause four more years of Trump. That took the entire GOP working/plotting towards it for four years, as well as many failures in leadership, on both sides, among many departments. I blame Biden’s DOJ for not prosecuting Trump for inciting an insurrection more than I blame Harris’ rushed campaign and handful of poor responses to questions. I also blame voters like you, who still fail to see the big picture and, instead, waste energy trying to punish neoliberals for playing neoliberal politics when the choice is between more neoliberalism and outright fascism. Both choices suck, but one leaves the option for a long game, while the other leads to minorities like me being murdered by the state.
What would the Democrats have to do to lose your support?
How much failure and faked impotence does it take for you to discard them?
Don’t answer that, just think about it.
I don’t support democrats. I’m opposed to fascism. I think I’ve thought about it a little more than you have.
Of course it was a team effort to lose. We all agree. Nobody solely blames her. But this issue, genocide, is one that could have changed the entire campaign. She fucked it up then, and she still can’t admit it… So what we all see is her lack of values on display. No need to listen to that, to respect that.
Right. She doesn’t deserve that kind of respect. But, surely we can recognize that she’s also not openly authoritarian, like he other option we were given. I don’t pay attention to her, or any politician, outside of what they are currently doing while they’re in office or what they did while they were in office and are running for another term. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to communicate.
Imagine a pilot flying a plane into a building and then going on book tours. Even worse, it’s kind of obvious the pilot did it because rich people and foreign nations told him to.
“I’m not the pilot right now”
Because she’s supposed to be a good person who isn’t tone deft?
Guess that was just an act too.
She’s a politician. Everything’s an act. She’s also not openly fascist. The other option we were given is. I really don’t see how this is hard for so many of y’all.
You keep assuming leftists were why she lost.
That’s because you deepthroat propaganda.
Leftists overwhelmingly voted for Harris.
No, I’m saying a percentage of leftists helped Trump win because they succumbed to propaganda. IMO, the leftists that opted out of voting for Harris don’t get to pretend like they did it to help Palestine. Trump getting back into office is, and was always going to be worse for Palestine. Seeing as you’re willing to put words into my mouth, this is the only response you’re going to get from me. Not interested in conversing with rage-fueled teenagers.
The data shows that the people who voted for Biden and stayed home for Harris were democrats and independant boomers, genx, and a small amount of Millennials. Of these age groups the ones who stayed home the vast majority were white men/women, and hispanic men. Again these were boomer Neoliberals who didn’t want to vote for a colored woman.
If every single gaza protester voted for Harris (assuming none of them did) then it wouldn’t be anywhere close to enough votes for her to win.
Quit deepthroating the anti leftist, anti young propaganda plz
Goddamn these fucking protesters are such inauthentic losers. So “brave” yet terrified to protest the Trump administration.
Fucking phonies. They don’t even remotely give a shit about Palestinians.
The pro-Palestine movement is protesting against the Trump administration almost every day. Just because Democrats are one degree better doesn’t mean they get a pass for supporting the modern-day Holocaust for 16 months and handing the country on a silver platter to Trump.
Every Democrat who played a part in propping up the inanimate corpse of Biden and supported the genocide in 2024 need to be run out of politics and reminded of their miserable fucking FAILURE to stop fascism for the rest of their lives.
And people like you are why trump won.
If such people are why the democrats lost, then maybe the democrats should’ve listened to them? Basic politics 101. Next time try listening to voters if you want their votes.
No Harris knew what’s best, anyone saying she’s wrong was a Russian bot who never voted except somehow also voted for Trump.
Kamala Harris is why Trump won. She made it clear that she didn’t want the pro-Palestine movement’s votes and paid the price, that’s how democracy works.
So Trump got the “pro-Palestine” movement’s support via them deciding to not vote for his opposition. Great job. Really helped Palestine by easing the way for the racist dictator!
🤷♀️ you don’t get a pass for supporting genocide just because your opposition is one degree worse. If democrats wanted to win they should have listened to the voters and not their billionaire consultants and AIPAC donors. Sucks to suck!
If your goal was to stop the genocide, you should’ve voted for the person that values human lives over the one that doesn’t value anyone but himself. There was a chance we could’ve mounted enough political pressure that Harris would eventually cave. There’s zero chance of that with Trump. Forest through the trees.
If your goal was to stop the genocide, you should’ve voted for the person that values human lives
Neither of the top two candidates qualify.
There was a chance we could’ve mounted enough political pressure that Harris would eventually cave.
Read this again. Pay attention to how weak of an argument it is. There was a chance she would eventually cave? Come on, no one really believes that, especially when she gave no indication that she believed anything different than Trump or Biden about Israel’s genocide of Palestinians. You just got an “I can change her” vibe from her with no evidence.
Good argument. Wanna call them a bot next?
Bloc werk gud
No you!
He said from his spinning office chair in his air conditioned room.
Then he went downtown to punch a homeless kid in the face and grab a coffee from that new place.
She blamed anti genocide protesters for her loss and is trying to make money off it.
Remember, Kamala is the reason Trump won.
People not voting in their best interests is why Trump won
Why did they not select the candidate they wanted in the Democrat primaries? Oh right DNC blocked that.
It is astounding how hard Democrats are willing to defend the Kamala when she is literally responsible for Trump winning. A wet sack of potatoes would have beaten Trump.
There was cheating. They literally set ballots on fire in blue areas.
So why did Kamala instantly surrender and did she not demand a recount? She caved to Fascism like it was her job. Zero fighting back.
Why did we not recount desteoyed items?
Is there any merit to this: https://youtu.be/1nus5JA3Vh4
The guy David Pakman is interviewing seems to be legit, so does his data 🤷🏻♂️
France have been mobilising for the lesser evil candidate for several elections. Are they better? At least Lepen didn’t get elected.
I think Democrats have been manipulated into abstaining from voting by the right.
They should be ashamed.
French liberals (Macron) literally staged a coup to prevent the left from winning and promoted the far right. What the hell are you talking about.
More people didn’t vote at all than who voted for Harris. The vice president isn’t in charge of policy. Biden is the reason trump won.
I mean I agree, 4 years of Biden was a disastrous failure that Kamala should have made a hard break from as soon as he dropped out, but didn’t. Ridiculous, its like they were intentionally trying to lose.
She explicity said she would run on the exact same policies as Biden.
You are what you are. A person who lost because they wouldn’t get off the fence.
Yeah but you didn’t condemn Isreal when you should have. You get your just desserts. Never gonna vote for you. Buh-bye.
Palestine voters, you are a bunch of fucking morons
One candidate (Kamala) was willing to listen to you
The other candidate wants to level Gaza and turn into a resort
And you went with the candidtate that wants to turn Gaza into a resort.
I personally never gave a fuck about the people of Palestine. I still don’t give a fuck about them, I just have too much on my plate to care about them. But I did vote for Kamala and I did hope she’d help Palestine, but she lost…so eh I geuss Palestine gets fucked.
One candidate (Kamala) was willing to listen to you
“I’m speaking now.”
“Palestine voters”
They didn’t vote, and that’s the problem
People blaming Kamala because her policies in some issues were not perfect, and thats why they dont vote for her. Now because of that you have the Superfragilenazipotusshit as President, he is surely doing much better than Kamala… Also, probably you are not having any more fair elections, now it’s gonna be all Russian style elections, unless there is some kind of uprising.
I hope I’m wrong on that, but I think I’m not.
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If this lady can’t even commit to stopping a genocide, then what makes you all think she would have saved democracy? Whenever I see her speak I think of the scene from Breaking Bad: you are not the guy!
She wasn’t advocating for authoritarianism so that should be the first hint.
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I thought she promised us she was leaving politics. Why is she speaking at all. She should be in Nevada selling insurance.
This is exactly why the US ended up with trump. 0 critical thinking.
What are we supposed to do instead? Hug and kiss her for flubbing what should have been an easy election?
Yes, you’re supposed to do the exact opposite of what you’re doing now and give a grandiose display of positive emotions for her. That is exactly what is being asked of you in this moment. Glad you could figure this one out! Good boy! /s
0 critical thinking.
agreed. Your comment reflects that. She didnt write that book because she sees her career in politics as over. Use your head.
She’s selling a book, not being “in politics”. She told the truth.
More honest than these phony protesters that are too cowardly to protest Trump, the man they preferred to be president.
What makes you think these protestors are not also protesting Trump?
I dunno man I think talking about politics constantly despite not being in office counts as “being in politics”, even if it’s not technically correct
100%. She wants to critique it with an outsiders brand, not actually be an outsider. In her dumb “107 days” book she outlines no way forward. The same as her entire career. She is pathologically incapable of leading in any particular direction, and just wants some sort of successful outcome, not any particular goal for any particular reason. Any win will do. She’s the perfect empty headed puppet.
She is giving political advice on why she lost.
And by political advice I mean refusing to take responsibility and blaming everything on the left.
Yeah, we know. Those folks are just reminding you, why.
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And wow, Trump is so much better than Harris would have been for Gaza!
Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on, I am not saying it isn’t important, it is extremely important, but letting the cheeto win just to spite Harris for not supporting Gaza enough was stupid
Genocide is NOT a stupid cause to get hung up on. It is literally the worst crime that can be committed.
More than 90% of Democrats believe that there’s a genocide happening, and they want it to stop.
Politicians are supposed to LEAD their constituents, not follow. Kamala has no North Star, so she was doomed from the start.
The best thing she could have done was take Walz’s lead, but the donor class swiftly shut that shit down.
You tell me if we have a functioning democracy
Considering that in the US’ two party system, you can have a winner who lost the popular vote, I’d say that the US is a deeply flawed democracy.
Any democratic system that includes first past the post is a flawed system
What makes you think she would be any different from Trump on Palestine? Everything Trump is doing right now is a continuation of the Biden-Harris policy of letting Israel commit genocide with absolutely no pushback.
That is EXACTLY my point!
She probably wouldn’t be any different, but she would be remarkably different on US policies, immigration, trans care, USAID.
People who refused to vote for Harris, you forgot about the biggest fact in politics, you never vote for the best candidate, you vote for the lest bad candidate.
No one will be able to convince me that Harris wasn’t the least bad candidate between her and Trump.
Oh, I am with you, friend. Unfortunately, being on the same side as him, just “not as bad”, definitely didn’t do her campaign any favors. Especially among low information voters, who are really just taking everyone at their word. While Trump was boldly asserting himself as anti-war, Harris was just giving vague, wishy-washy answers, that relied on far too much nuance. American voters don’t like to think that hard.
They should invent some kind of an intermediary layer between the voters and the elections to ensure that demagoguery and sensationalism cannot prevail. That would fix everything.
/s for the kids who skipped civics
I agree on the sarcasm of it not working one bit, but that layer should also have been completely irrelevant, the real problem is that Trump is a sociopathic criminal that was never arrested for his crimes. Not even when he attempted a coup.
A fucking traitor, who was allowed to run again, despite it was clearly illegal, and he should have been in prison.Seen from Europe the problem is not just that Trump was elected, it’s the complete failure throughout American society to stop him.
The judicial failed, congress failed, and the people failed.
Also the democratic process within the Republican party failed, where they have turned away completely from traditional Republican, American and democratic values. AND we saw similar problems in the democratic party with Biden not stepping down as promised, and back when Bernie was running.Problem is that the entire system AND the majority of the population are toxic, and Trump is allowed to act way outside the scope of his presidential powers, and clearly contrary to the constitution without being stopped.
The roundup of immigrants and detainment without seeing a judge, and being sent to prison in foreign countries alone, is violation of the constitution on 3 counts. Yet it is allowed to continue!?!?!
Hundy p. Aside from the sanity-thin norms holding back the American empire from pure naked tyranny, the whole thing was built on slaves and stolen land, and still is through the 13th amendment.
I was one of the kids who was raised to an ideal of inclusivity and egalitarianism that has never existed in the real America. I left, and now find myself an immigrant from a place that doesn’t seem to exist. Sometimes I feel like a cryptid or something.
I was one of the kids who was raised to an ideal of inclusivity and egalitarianism that has never existed in the real America.
Absolutely true, but in the 70’s at least there was hope, things seemed to generally move in the right direction more often than not.
Then it slowed down with Reagan, and with Trump it has all gone to shit.
All countries have problems with racism, but no other democracy has as big a social and cultural debt as USA.
You mean the electoral college? It would probably have worked if we hadn’t broken it by choosing electors by popular vote instead of having them appointed by state legislatures.
Maybe. Hard to say what would have worked at this point, without sounding like we were caught by Scooby Doo. “It would have worked too, if it weren’t for you meddling oligarchs!” Rome tried reforms too, but it was too late.
If you truly believe “Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on” then what’s your justification for her continued support of the genocide occurring there?
You act like people are stupid for making a big deal about it, while failing to give a reason why she felt it was a big enough deal to support even if it meant letting Trump win the presidency yet again.
Palestine has been a bipartisan bad take for the US the whole time. Any single issue is a bad issue to get hung up on. “Lines in the sand” are a fragmentary psy-op to get you to ignore the big picture.
Yes, every big deal is a big deal, but there are hundreds of big deals. Taking a stance on this one didn’t make it any better, arguably made it worse, and also let a whole lot of other big deals get bigger.
Single-issue voting is how we got in this mess in the first place. We aren’t going to single-issue vote our way out of it.
There’s a difference between intentionally torpedoing peace talks and outright arming and funding a genocide against a civilian population.
Democrats have been shitty for the country for a long time, but now the mask is off and people are seeing through the virtue signaling, false promises, and outright lies. This may be a single issue, but its the straw that broke the camel’s back for a lot of people and it’s one issue in a sea of issues the Democrats are on the wrong side of.
We didnt get into this mess by voting on single issues. We got into it by continually electing people who are using their positions for personal gain and the gain of their wealthy donors above all else. That’s the bipartisan issue. Both parties work for the same people and it isn’t us. The political fights broadcast on TV and social media are just a smoke screen to make people believe we have two opposing parties, but it turns out the real opposing parties are the American people and the wealthy.
We didnt get into this mess by voting on single issues. We got into it by continually electing people who are using their positions for personal gain and the gain of their wealthy donors above all else.
Single issues are exactly how those people manipulate your vote.
None, but with her the US would not be destroying itself as quickly, and USAID would still be a functional agency.
I try to be a realist, and looking at Trumps regime, I don’t see Harris causing more harm in total.
I try to be a realist
You realists sure do tend to lose elections. But hey, maybe you’ll get enough republican votes to win next time, eh?
First the Republican party would need to establish itself here in Sweden, then you would need to kill me, steal my identity and vote for them in my name, that is the ONLY way they will ever get my vote
You make statements like “with her the US would not be destroying itself as quickly” and wonder why she didn’t win the election?
You don’t see the irony in saying “you must vote for either the slow destruction or the fast destruction of the country because if you don’t, you’re supporting the destruction of the country.” How about people take their partisan blinders off already and see that limiting yourself to these two choices is what’s destroying the country.
I don’t wonder why she didn’t win, the US citizens had two alternatives.
- An educated, experienced, boring politician.
- An unhinged lunatic.
The US citizens picked the lunatic.
Way to quickly back track and deflect from your last comment.
I also find it funny that everyone defending Harris and the DNC for running a train wreck of a campaign and handing the country over to Trump eventually comes around to admitting they don’t even live in the US despite their strong opinions and insight into US politics.
And then scream that anyone who isn’t pro-genocide is an evil foreigner for disagreeing with netanyahu.
letting the cheeto win
When will you bootlickers understand that SHE let him win? Her job was to represent her constituents, instead she decided to represent Israel. She decided to support genocide instead of us ffs.
Yes voters, propaganda, and online influence campaigns specifically designed to help trump win literally had zero power. That’s when Russia helped trump win the first time, everyone knew it totally didn’t matter at all /s
Kamala had momentum before the DNC because she was choosing progressive partners like Tim Walz and seemed to be diverging from Biden.
Then she gave her DNC speech, and locked in her policies as Biden 2.0.
Sure Russia helped, but Harris holds the most blame as to why she lost.
You literally cannot comprehend the notion of a politician needing to appeal to their voters in order to win.
The fact is Russia wouldn’t have had such an easy time if kamala wasn’t loudly saying “Fuck you, fuck your beliefs, I stand with the oligarchy and genocide.”
It’s a politicians job first and foremost to win elections. Stop blaming voters, all you are doing is enabling the Dems to act like idiots.
Yes the real problem is a tiny handful of assholes and definitely not millions of morons
For the record I’m blaming non voters and online propagandists mainly. You know, what you’re trying to create?
The tiny handfuls of assholes were in charge of the platform they ran.
It’s also weird to say “the few supporting genocide aren’t the bad ones, it’s the ones that can’t overlook it that are at fault”.
If you keep blaming anyone’s but the ones on charge, the dems will try to walk the line between us and Israel next election too, and they will lose again.
The election is over, now is when it’s the time to be critical of them! Stop giving them an easy pass for the complete shitshow they pulled.
It’s our jobs as voters to be informed. Being informed means understanding the impact of your vote. That’s an entirely separate issue from putting pressure on politicians to do the right thing. We should be doing that, but not at the expense of destroying society, which is what’s happening now.
Trump never supported us. Wtf are you talking about?
Yes? My point is neither did Kamala and that is why she lost.
The bar isn’t trump, it’s higher then that and the dems fucked up by trying to go as low as they could.
Bootlicker?
Wow, you don’t know anything about me.
Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on
For not supporting Gaza enough
I see you. I see the language you use, trying your hardest to avoid the word genocide. Trying your hardest to blame anything but the dems blatant and unpopular support for a foreign warmongering state. You are either a zionist or a useful idiot.
We need to demand better from the “good” political party, not offer them an easy scapegoat. Stop enabling them.
Ok, since we are doing stupid wordplay.
You can quote me on this:
Israel is at this moment perpetuating a genocide in Gaza, this is the truth.
Also if I never made it clear, I am not American, I am a Swede who strongly believes in the social democratic ideology.
That being said, not voting Harris in the last (?) US election was stupid for those who support Gaza (as you should).
Genocide was a stupid cause to get hung up on
Here’s your original comments with the proper terms used. Do you understand how much of lunatic you sound like?
Genocide is a stupid cause to get hung up on? Really?
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Read the room Harris and stop justofying your mistakes
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What has Kamala said or done in the last 9 months to fight the fascist regime? Has she called for people to get on the streets and protest or called for a general strike? No, shes done fuck all except write a book full of excuses for losing from her Bel Air mansion. And you’re over here defending it, its pathetic.
Because the current regime is worse does not make her stance better. They have not done anything that Biden did not or would not do, and she promised to continue what he was doing.
Genocide is, or at least should be, a very clear moral issue. Either you are against it, or for it. There is no middle ground. There are more people on the liberal side who are willing to hold to their morals. They did not try to garner their base, they tried to garner the billionaires and republicans who were not fully on board with trump. Any idiot could have told them that those republicans would vote republican in the end any way. In addition, the dems rigged three primaries in a row dating back to Bernie in 2016. Biden got elected because Trump absolutely fucked covid. No one was voting for him because they thought he was a great candidate. He promised to be a one term president. That was his main line in 2020.
2024 would have been a great time for him to step aside. He didnt. The dems did not ask for any vote to replace him in the run in, they just said here’s your choice. She did nothing but say she would continue doing everything he had done. The dems sold out themselves and the country to the billionaire class. People were mad about that. All they did was say they would keep doing it.
Even now, they do nothing but say “oh my gosh how can we stop this”
They enabled this to happen, and are now trying to say look we told you so, even when their own policies have shifted far to the right.
There is no liberal or left wing party in the US. In most civilized countries, the Republicans would be considered far right extremists, and democrats would be considered right wing.
But again, if genocide is not a place you draw the line, it is very unlikely that you will draw the line at democracy.
Kamala Harris being a corrupt, genocidal moron is why Trump won in 2024. Trump didn’t win, the Democratic elites gifted the election to Trump by nominating such an evil person.
And people like you fell in line and gifted Trump the presidency to punish the democratic elites.
