After New York City’s race for mayor catapulted Zohran Mamdani from state assembly member into one of the world’s most prominent progressive voices, intense debate swirled over the ideas at the heart of his campaign.
His critics and opponents painted pledges such as free bus service, universal child care and rent freezes as unworkable, unrealistic and exorbitantly expensive.
But some have hit back, highlighting the quirk of geography that underpins some of this view. “He promised things that Europeans take for granted, but Americans are told are impossible,” said Dutch environmentalist and former government advisor Alexander Verbeek in the wake of Tuesday’s election.
Verbeek backed this with a comment he had overheard in an Oslo café, in which Mamdani was described as an American politician who “finally” sounded normal.
Shout out to everyone who said his lofty impossible ideas are never going to happen in reality.
Somehow every country can do the impossible goals of “maybe the rich don’t own every store” and “let’s make it so people are paid better” but America, but somehow they’re the impossibility, never the one county that refuses to try it.
There’s absolutely nothing radical about Mamdani.
All of his proposed policies are favored by the vast majority of Americans and normal in actually developed nations.
Exactly. The real radical ones are like the US who don’t give their own people affordable health care of all things.
Yes, it’s called Social Democracy and the countries that apply it always have the highest standards of life.
Don’t let the billionaires bullshit you.
Can confirm.
By the way my country has an actual Communist Party with some representatives in government (not enough for anything really).And FYI EU politicians are learning from the US: the EU, either at top level or at countries’ governments, is veering right as of late, towards the same fascism we now see in the US.
So perhaps we shouldn’t be so smug, not right now at least.Your countries (I mean France at least) will burn themselves to the ground before they let that happen. Something I wish the Americans would do. I don’t want to be caught in a house fire, but if Temu Hitler is at my door setting it and my options are limited I’d drag him into the flames with me without a second thought.
Fascism is extremely well-funded and these assholes band together just look at the bailout of Argentina.
They are veering right because of the blatant Russian propaganda that is trying to break up NATO and the EU by trying to make everyone more xenophobic.
Too bad for them EU countries have a much more robust political system that cuts out extremist views most of the time. We don’t have a “winner takes all” system. And plenty of political parties, even right-wing ones, want nothing to do with the fascists.
I’m hopeful, but I wouldn’t let my guard down.
Russia is bad but blaming everything on russia is ridiculous. Xenophobia is growing everywhere with or without russian influence
Far-right parties are winning in Europe because the European Central Bank forces countries to adopt ‘austerity’ policies. These policies destroy jobs and reduce people’s quality of life. So people vote for whoever promises to fix this - either the left or the far-right. But the ECB can’t permit an anti-austerity government, so they crack down on the left. The far-right is tolerated as long as it only targets random Syrian refugees.
It’s the other way around. It’s NATO propaganda that led us to the war with Russia.
Are EU politicians really learning from the US? Or are they just paid off pawns? Probably a mix of both, but I think it’s safe to assume that the majority is caused by American meddling, until confirmed to be otherwise.
Oligarch meddling, they don’t see flags (and neither should we).
They’re all puppets and traitors.
The actual European policies the US is in dire need of importing, not the Orbán and Putin-style dismantling of secular democracies.
COMMUNIST EUROPE
As a European I’d see his policies as left wing but not as socialist, communist or whatever. And as a person who has been to New York countless times I would see anything that improves the quality of life such as public transport, childcare, food poverty as a generally good thing. Whether Mandani manages to pull it off and doesn’t go to the dark side like every single other New York mayor remains to be seen.
His policies are fundamentally socialist and I’m not sure if it’s possible to classify them as anything else. That said, you don’t necessarily need to be a socialist to support them.
Because they are.
What is normality?
Not treating your populace like animals.
We’re technically all animals
But yea apart from that, it’s never been the norm in the USA, therefore it is not “normal”
You can also think it’s a basic feature that any country should have. There are many definitions of what normality is
So I’m just nitpicking
Don’t know why I’m writing this comment
Ignore me
Americans live in a world where their “left” is already pretty far right. Someone who isn’t that right but more centre / mildly left I indeed consider normal. It’s still kilometers (miles) away from far left.
Overton window and all that.
From a unitedstatesian:
Genuinely, thank you, European politicians and public figures, for pointing out that reasonably socialized public services are considered de rigueur by the vast majority of the rest of the developed world.
It felt so weird when Tim Walz was lauded as a “gift to progressives” when he was running on a platform of “kids deserve food”.
I live in Colorado where we just passed a resolution to pay for school lunches by a small tax on individuals making $300,000 or more.
I swear to God, there were a ton of people complaining about it. My favorite was a Facebook friend of my brother who posted “Why are we allowing people to vote on this who don’t make more than $300,000 a year if it doesn’t affect them? That’s not how democracy works.”
These people are fucking insane.
if it doesn’t affect them
I wonder how the kids receiving school lunches would have voted and if that bloke would have liked the result. Do we have any clue how the vote was split among parents of school kids?
You suppose this guy thinks men shouldn’t be able to vote on women’s health issues? I bet he doesn’t see even the slightest conflict there.
Hypocrisy is not a bug, it’s a feature.
But I wasn’t asking about a reasonable perspective, just wondering out loud how a literal interpretation of his stance would turn out.
Did you point out TABOR does require a vote for all new taxes, to include ones that don’t affect everyone?
No, since it was my brother’s friend, I just told my brother that dude was a moron - and left it at that.
Is he going to skip off to Galt’s Gulch now? 🤣
The gift being that he was old and white with a proven political track record.
Politics isn’t just about policy, you have to appeal to enough voters to get elected if you want to implement those policies. Unfortunately, right now in the US, “kids deserve food” is a wild progressive idea.
Not just the developed world as quite a lot of developing nations strive to offer these services as well.
Which is even more insane.
But at the same time, 40 or so of our states have been essentially un-developing for the last couple decades. The US is essentially a dozen first-world countries supporting a few dozen third-world countries, and the latter constantly politically attack the former. Really would be nice if those of us who live in the actually productive regions could just cut bait on the regressive states and let them find out the hard way.
and we do it without wanting a revolution or supporting terrorists
it’s magic
Yes. Thank you.
The fact that even r/democrats has banned posts about Mamdani is shocking to me. (I found out from Bluesky, went to Reddit and checked and it’s true)
This dude is normal. Full stop.
EDIT: And yea, I was literally thinking these days “It’s nice to see Europe influencing the US for a change”
The fact that even r/democrats has banned posts about Mamdani is shocking to me.
I don’t see why it’s shocking. That sub is basically an enforced echo chamber for the netanyahu wing of the party.
What why haha
Because Reddit is run by billionaires like any other enshittified format.
Head over there and promote a platform of free speech where Mamdami can be discussed. Like… this one?
Talking about Lemmy will also get you banned there. It’s best to treat Reddit like the plague house it is and stay far away.
I’ve done it on a few subs, so it probably depends on the mods. Haven’t been banned yet.
Nobody can hear you over the bots
I don’t really know, to be honest. The mods there never gave off a bad vibe before. I don’t know what’s gotten into them.
All of the original mods got kicked during the subreddit strikes. They are all replaced by stooges.
“It’s nice to see Europe influencing the US for a change”
They’re even putting roundabouts in South Carolina cities!
How is he European influence?
You put Mamdani, Bernie, or AOC virtually anywhere in Europe, and they’re slightly left leaning moderates.
not in Poland, Hungary, Turkey and few others
Perhaps on social issues, but economically it is true for the most part
I thought Italy went hard right wing a couple of years back?
Yes, the Italy is included in the “few others”.
My take has always been (regardless of living in Europe or anywhere else) that these type of issues is exactly why we have states and municipalities at all. I.e to help each other solve basic life more efficiently. Of course there’s different takes on best strategies for this but I have a hard time seeing how Mamdanis policies around infrastructure and housing are extreme in any way
It’s almost as if having a central government with deciding power over nearly everything is inefficient and only leads to problems.
