• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    This is a perpetually idiotic take.

    All the statistical evidence that we have, is that once Kamala was the candidate, her polling rose meteorically. Until she started to define herself as a candidate, when all we had were her words as former candidate to base her policy positions on, she was heading towards blue-wave-of-epic proportions territory. She named Walz as running mate and people thought they had someone to vote for herself

    Then, during the convention, the definition began as a continuance of a corporate, Biden-esque, more-of-the-same, Democrat. They silenced Palestinian voices and shunned the progressive vote, while embracing Republicans and hawkish dem’s.

    And her polling rapidly stagnated, then began to slide. As she slid further and further right, so did her polling.

    Harris’ loss was not an inevitability, and to present it as such is to both misunderstand the political moment then, as it happened, and to misrepresent the ongoing political moment.

    If Harris’ had ran on her 2020 campaign platform with Walz as vice, she wins. Hands down. The political pressure desperately seeking an outlet on issues like M4A, and so many other leftwing polciies isn’t new. Bernie got it started in 2016 and it never stopped growing. All she needed to do was step left and ride the wave. But she chose to make losing decisions. Her loss was not an inevitability and to present it as such is a form of lying.

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      Yup, all the momentum and revitalization of the democratic vote slowed to a crawl as soon the biden-esque political strategy got involved, caving on the Palestinian genocide, and by pretty much kicking Walz to the curb when it comes to PR. We could’ve been riding the “MAGA is just weird” all the way to polls, but neoliberealism had to fuck it all up again.

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      Her 2020 campaign wasn’t actually that good. She started with the same boost of optimism and then fell apart once she started defining specifics and every other statement was walking things back. She flamed out for a reason.

      I agree with your statement here though. She had all the momentum and tools to win and flubbed it through actual choices, not some inherent insurmountable challenges.

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        The only time she looked strong in 2020 was when she pointed out Biden’s support for old racist policies. After that, she had nothing to say or to differentiate herself from the rest of the DNC corporate pack.

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      Taking campaign advice from her brother in law, the CLO of Uber, who is a big part of the gig economy which destroys workers rights, was also a huge red flag.

      I still voted for her, but it was like choosing a shit sandwich over Hitler. I didn’t exactly want either one.

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        Both her husband and her campaign manager (her brother in law) are hard core zionists who pushed Harris to ditch the left. What those two wanted was support for israel, and that meant turning away progressives to get votes from the right. The only way those two were ‘losing’ would be if Harris or Trump won + turned left, which didnt happen. So they got an acceptable outcome. Harris chose her allies (and husband) badly.

        I cant imagine a dem ever winning a pro genocide, anti american worker campaign, can you? I can easily imagine right wingers winning such a thing, and thats what happened. Republican voters will cheerfully turn out to harm people— and dems a bit less so. Some of you think thats a problem, and I dont think it is. I’m glad we’re not a party that wins based on embracing mass murder and war crimes.

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          Yeah, she also was going on about fracking.

          Campaign was like “see, I’m left of Trump and he’s literally the devil. Never mind that I’m to the right of Nixon myself. Blue no matter who! Shame on you for not bothering to vote.”

          I dislike Trump. I mean he’s evil and is trying to erase me.

          But I hate Kamala. Because betrayal cuts deeper.

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          The real problem was that voting for Trump was voting for Mussolini today. Voting for Kamala was voting for Hitler in 2028. If she had managed to win, someone even worse than Trump would win the election in 2028. That’s the only possible result from a hypothetical Kamala admin, if she had managed to win the election.

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            I don’t know if that was the only possibility.

            But yes, Kamala was to the right of Nixon. And cranked the ratchet effect hard during her run.

            The fracking, Gaza, and ties to Uber was especially disgusting imo.

            I wouldn’t be surprised if in that timeline a more competent fascist took 2028.

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      3 days ago

      Well, she wasn’t going to be able to throw the election if she made herself popular.

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      Maybe, but actually moving left wouldn’t assure a victory either. If it became clear that Kamala was moving left, the DNC and the rich people in power would help Trump win through lots of propaganda on the news.

      Kamala only wins via the progressive route if she gets lucky at countering both Republican and Democrat propaganda, like Mamdani.

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        Your strategy is literally the continuation of the same weak and ineffective DNC strategy we’ve had for decades.

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          Correct, if you define victory as benefiting the people of the country.

          But if you define victory as helping yourself while pretending to help the people of the country, then the DNC strategy is unbeatable.