• ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Oh cool. Another Liberal completely blind to the internal workings of their chosen party. What pearls of wisdom do you have for us?

    I voted for Kamala. This was the first time in 20 years that I’ve cast my vote Alone.

    I rally everyone I can. And every time I had a rhetorical lever to remind my friends and family about the importance of this casual action, Kamala herself would rush to a camera to undermine everything I tried to say.

    “End the genocide!” Well shit, she came out as a full throated Zionist. Her and her party did anything and everything to alienate everyone who views Palestinians as human.

    “One genocide is better than two” well fuck, she promised to be harder on the border than a fucking Nazi.

    “Trans survival rests on this” aaaand I watched her stand agast at any suggestion that she assert the reality that Trans Women are Women.

    “We should codify Roe V Wade” and… Crickets from her.

    People were hurting and the economy was in the toilet? All she could do was talk up Biden’s effort, sans evidence.

    Her backers, her sponsors, her consultants, her party infrastructure all made sure she refused to stand for anything. Ever.

    And I blame you Lemmings for allowing this shit for actual decades. You haven’t had a real Primary since 2008, and you call this Democracy?

    Have the day you voted for - A half step up from the Maga reality of today, but with more concessions for Maga than even your own base or agenda.

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      The fact this is the type of shit that gets upvotes here is why you’re never pulling out.

      You rant about democrats as if you choosing to lop your own legs off will make them so angry they’re suddenly going to do what you want.

      You act like children, and ignore the obvious because it feels good to be angry at someone, and the democrats are the closest thing to being an org that will listen.

      Instead though, you, as you admitted, in the most important election in your life, choose to stop caring.

      Look at how childish all of your retorts are about all of the various things that she absolutely would not have specifically hurt if she had won.

      You think she would actively be encouraging israel to flaten palestine?

      You think she would be making ICE the actual gestapo?

      As for Roe v Wade, how exactly do you expect democrats to do such a thing without a senate super majority?

      You literally expect the impossible, and then give up and cry when you don’t get that.

      Her backers, her sponsors, her consultants, her party infrastructure all made sure she refused to stand for anything. Ever.

      Yet that was clearly the better option that shooting your own legs off.

      How do you not realize that the DNC literally is incentivised to offer less and less if the country keeps flipping back and forth? Then, all they have to do is correctly assert that they are the non insane option, and offer to undo some of the damage done.

      This is what they’ve done. This is what Biden has done, and somehow to you, you think that throwing a tantrum and literally getting marginalized people killed really got one over on the rich conservatives at the head of the DNC who will never see the inside of a grocery store.

      And I blame you Lemmings for allowing this shit for actual decades.

      What does this even mean exactly. You are clearly angry at some group you can’t actually specify.

      This comment really reinforces how much you misunderstand your own system. You’d rather hurt people because you can’t get your idealistic wishes.

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        Instead though, you, as you admitted, in the most important election in your life, choose to stop caring.

        Again, I voted for her. I did everything I could to rally people to vote for her. And at every step of the way, she undermined my effort.

        Glad to see your reading comprehension is just as deep as that of a Maga voter.

        Do I expect her to accomplish anything? Nope, she’s a Democrat. Do I expect her to at least sell herself as a candidate? Yes, that’s the entire fucking point of an election.

        How do you not realize that the DNC literally is incentivised to offer less and less if the country keeps flipping back and forth? Then, all they have to do is correctly assert that they are the non insane option, and offer to undo some of the damage done.

        So… Concede to Fascists, and pretend that’s a winning strategy. Gotcha.

        Given the choice between diet Hitler, and full flavored commitment? The country will choose the Marlboro Reds of Fascism for at least being consistent. This is not up to me.

        You will accept whatever Slop the unDemocratic party gives you, and be okay because “at least its not 100% Hitler, we’re doing better!” As the country slides into Hell. This is your fault for pretending Reaganite madness is the Center, and everyone else is “insane Leftists”.

        Meanwhile, Mamdani had a vision, and people mobilized behind it. Won his election by the largest margin in a NYC Mayoral race since 1968. Democrats win when turnout is High, and actually HAVING A PLATFORM drives turnout.

        Where was your “blue no matter who” for Zohran? Oh wait, it doesn’t matter because the Party backed another friend of Epstein.

        You people make me sick. I am actually having an easier time rehabbing Maga voters than talking to the people vote with at gunpoint.

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          I did everything I could to rally people to vote for her.

          You mentioned that you did not “This was the first time in 20 years that I’ve cast my vote Alone.” Unless I misunderstood that to mean you expect me to believe that despite them losing less than 10% of their voter base, 100% of people you knew didn’t show up.

          So… Concede to Fascists, and pretend that’s a winning strategy. Gotcha.

          This is literally what you appear to be advocating for. Im utterly confused by this attempt to reframe things.

          Given the choice between diet Hitler, and full flavored commitment?

          Calling Kamala Harris diet hitler is lunacy.

          You will accept whatever Slop the unDemocratic party gives you, and be okay because “at least its not 100% Hitler, we’re doing better!” As the country slides into Hell. This is your fault for pretending Reaganite madness is the Center, and everyone else is “insane Leftists”.

          It seems you are clearly arguing in bad faith when you on one hand pretend that you voted for and supported Harris, yet on the other hand, say this.

          These are not congruent thoughts.

          One of these things must be a lie.

          I mean look at this intensly obvious bad faith strawman argument: "and everyone else is “insane Leftists”.

          Meanwhile, Mamdani had a vision, and people mobilized behind it. Won his election by the largest margin in a NYC Mayoral race since 1968. Democrats win when turnout is High, and actually HAVING A PLATFORM drives turnout.

          What are you arguing against out of anything I’ve mentioned here.

          Everything you say seems to be in bad faith.

          You are arguing against a person who is not a part of the DNC, because you do not like the strategy of the DNC, as if its that persons fault. This is not a sane position to hold.

          You people make me sick. I am actually having an easier time rehabbing Maga voters than talking to the people vote with at gunpoint.

          You once again, describe yourself in the same group that you say makes you sick.

          It once again seems like you must be lying.

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            You mentioned that you did not “This was the first time in 20 years that I’ve cast my vote Alone.” Unless I misunderstood that to mean you expect me to believe that despite them losing less than 10% of their voter base, 100% of people you knew didn’t show up.

            Fascinating. So any disagreement must be “in bad faith” to you?

            So… Concede to Fascists, and pretend that’s a winning strategy. Gotcha.

            This is literally what you appear to be advocating for. Im utterly confused by this attempt to reframe things.

            The very platform your politicians advocate for is concessionary, and I’m tired of pretending otherwise. All of them. From Chuck Schumer conceding on the Shutdown, to Obama just adopting Romneycare as his own? The party exists to fold to Republicans.

            It seems you are clearly arguing in bad faith when you on one hand pretend that you voted for and supported Harris, yet on the other hand, say this.

            Support? Now that’s a strong word. Voted for, advocated for in conversation? Your black and white thinking is showing.

            You are arguing against a person who is not a part of the DNC, because you do not like the strategy of the DNC, as if its that persons fault. This is not a sane position to hold

            You support the platform of the DNC, the party insiders by proxy when you continue to support their bullshit even a year after the election. I do not care that you are just as powerless over their internal processes as I am. You continue to express your Stockholm Syndrome for their failing agenda, even as an actually viable alternative presents itself.

            Break out. Turn off the MSNBC, leave the KHive, go try on Hasan Piker as an entry point for your therapy.

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              Fascinating. So any disagreement must be “in bad faith” to you?

              At this point there is clearly no good discussing anything with you when the very specific bad faith arguments you made have been pointed out precisely, but you choose to instead, again in bad faith, claim that its a meritless dismissal.

              The very platform your politicians advocate for is concessionary, and I’m tired of pretending otherwise.

              You also state you advocate for them though… where is your high horse unless you are lying.

              All of them. From Chuck Schumer conceding on the Shutdown, to Obama just adopting Romneycare as his own? The party exists to fold to Republicans.

              Partially because you keep letting them do so with your rhetoric that utterly fails to understand how this works. They love switching back and forth for this reason. Without the flip flopping, they could be arm twisted into being more progressive, but you somehow wish so badly you could punish them for not doing as you please that youd rather see exactly what you claim to hate.

              Support? Now that’s a strong word. Voted for, advocated for in conversation? Your black and white thinking is showing.

              This is you being completely unable to see nuance.

              You are, at this point, saying that you pretty much agree with what I am saying, but want to bash me for some made up beliefs you have where every person who believes the clear fact that of the 2 options democrats are the correct ones also completely supports how the DNC operates, which obviously is false.

              You support the platform of the DNC, the party insiders by proxy when you continue to support their bullshit even a year after the election.

              What in the universe could this possibly mean. Are you suggesting that you will be supporting the republicans instead? Because it is one or the other, so this just goes back to your ridiculous assumption from above.

              I do not care that you are just as powerless over their internal processes as I am. You continue to express your Stockholm Syndrome for their failing agenda, even as an actually viable alternative presents itself.

              What viable alternative?

              You speak in meandering riddles because ultimately your positions hold no merit. This is why all you can do is spout irrelevant rhetoric and specific criticisms against your views.

              go try on Hasan Piker as an entry point for your therapy.

              This says it all then doesn’t it. You follow a pretend socialist influencer and think that means that you are are supirior to everyone else despite being unable to grasp the viewpoints of others nor state your own clearly.

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        You think she would actively be encouraging israel to flaten palestine?

        Of course , you sound very ignorant or just use palestinians for political reasons. Gaza is flatened because of the billions of dollars you give to israel and all the weapons they get which every single goddamn US war criminal presidents did since the creation of the terrorist state of israel so how the hell do you think Harris would stop doing that?

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          Of course , you sound very ignorant or just use palestinians for political reasons.

          Its this type of insane take which makes it impossible to have useful discourse.

          There are literally 2 options, and you would rather choose the one with the worse outcome because they both suck. Thats simply immature and self harming in nature.