Surprising. Arguing tone (perhaps even ad-hominem fallacy), with a strawman, missing the multiple points made (to both what you wrote, and the video) evasively and dismissively saying the “ramble” doesn’t really say anything, then offer mere restatement (in the same false dichotomy oversimplification fallacy) without tackling any of the counterarguments, again walking straight back into falling foul of what was pointed out, without further reasoning nor counterargument, just circular reasoning. Ironically (apparently) not realising the assertion about the worker run state is itself an appeal to authority fallacy. The admitted simple answer (an oversimplification fallacy btw), using unqualified weasel words, misusing spectra again, offering vague “direct comparison”, merely arrogantly asserts a stubborn restatement without entertaining the critiques nor offering any reasoning at all, let alone valid, and of course even further from any sound reasoning. This density of cognitive dissonance, selective examples and perceptions, fallacies galore, and the reasserting the one true way, has more than a strong smell of a totalitarianised psyche [“When someone dismisses nuance, repeats false dichotomies, and appeals to authority without evidence, it mirrors the rhetorical tactics of totalitarian regimes. That’s not a personal attack—it’s a warning sign we should all be wary of”]. So, I’ve low expectations forming (like next will be moved goalposts, and whataboutism, more overt ad-hominem attacks, and so on, to defend dogma)… but, if you can catch all that in introspective reflection, and tend to the substance, and provide reasoning (rather than restatement of conclusion) I’m genuinely curious, perhaps most especially how do you reconcile the historical examples of the ideological slip from emancipatory(/libertarian) political philosophies / revolutions, into authoritarianism of worker-run states with your claim that they’re ‘emancipatory’? … Is it like an economist hyperfocus/blinkered stubbornly persistent unchallenged dogma in ongoing denial of the freedom dimension**?** Or some other measure (perhaps even one that’s so obvious to you it’s hard to put words to, or even that you’re oblivious to, like the fish oblivious to water)? So like, Kropotkin’s just the same as Mao, in your view**?** Or for an example on the other side, Ayn Rand’s just the same as Pinnochaet**?** Wondering how far this reassertion of dogma may go, or if considerate scrutiny, or clarification of nuances poorly expressed so far, can interrupt it.
Looking forward to hearing your reasoning. Sorry I’m not better at coaxing it from you.
The direct answer is that socialist states throughout history have implemented strong democratizations of society and created impressive systems to take care of the needs of the people. Things like “authoritarianism,” when divorced from class analysis, mean nothing at all beyond that a state exists and enforces the will of the class in power. In socialist states, though, that class is the working classes, and as such wield authority in the interests of bringing immense liberty and emancipation to the broad majority of society.
Surprising. Arguing tone (perhaps even ad-hominem fallacy), with a strawman, missing the multiple points made (to both what you wrote, and the video) evasively and dismissively saying the “ramble” doesn’t really say anything, then offer mere restatement (in the same false dichotomy oversimplification fallacy) without tackling any of the counterarguments, again walking straight back into falling foul of what was pointed out, without further reasoning nor counterargument, just circular reasoning. Ironically (apparently) not realising the assertion about the worker run state is itself an appeal to authority fallacy. The admitted simple answer (an oversimplification fallacy btw), using unqualified weasel words, misusing spectra again, offering vague “direct comparison”, merely arrogantly asserts a stubborn restatement without entertaining the critiques nor offering any reasoning at all, let alone valid, and of course even further from any sound reasoning. This density of cognitive dissonance, selective examples and perceptions, fallacies galore, and the reasserting the one true way, has more than a strong smell of a totalitarianised psyche [“When someone dismisses nuance, repeats false dichotomies, and appeals to authority without evidence, it mirrors the rhetorical tactics of totalitarian regimes. That’s not a personal attack—it’s a warning sign we should all be wary of”]. So, I’ve low expectations forming (like next will be moved goalposts, and whataboutism, more overt ad-hominem attacks, and so on, to defend dogma)… but, if you can catch all that in introspective reflection, and tend to the substance, and provide reasoning (rather than restatement of conclusion) I’m genuinely curious, perhaps most especially how do you reconcile the historical examples of the ideological slip from emancipatory(/libertarian) political philosophies / revolutions, into authoritarianism of worker-run states with your claim that they’re ‘emancipatory’? … Is it like an economist hyperfocus/blinkered stubbornly persistent unchallenged dogma in ongoing denial of the freedom dimension**?** Or some other measure (perhaps even one that’s so obvious to you it’s hard to put words to, or even that you’re oblivious to, like the fish oblivious to water)? So like, Kropotkin’s just the same as Mao, in your view**?** Or for an example on the other side, Ayn Rand’s just the same as Pinnochaet**?** Wondering how far this reassertion of dogma may go, or if considerate scrutiny, or clarification of nuances poorly expressed so far, can interrupt it.
Looking forward to hearing your reasoning. Sorry I’m not better at coaxing it from you.
The direct answer is that socialist states throughout history have implemented strong democratizations of society and created impressive systems to take care of the needs of the people. Things like “authoritarianism,” when divorced from class analysis, mean nothing at all beyond that a state exists and enforces the will of the class in power. In socialist states, though, that class is the working classes, and as such wield authority in the interests of bringing immense liberty and emancipation to the broad majority of society.
Your purple prose is superfluous and annoying.