that’s my point. outside of a thin lane or three, which is probably considerable “private” - public infra should be accessible. Last I checked (abt six months ago) I did not need to show ID to hop on the brewster line into grand central.
it’s all just a cash grab and control theater / normalization at airports. there is nothing special about flying compared to trains, except of course: profit.
I did not need to show ID to hop on the brewster line into grand central.
Because those are public roads. Not high priority roads you pay for access to. Just like fully government funded buses and the like don’t care if you have a ticket or not. Whereas those that are only subsidized tend to still require a pass/ticket/payment.
Also I’ll just point out: Your car has a license plate. It is trivial to read those with an overhead camera. And, depending on the road/day, you can bet a cop will gladly run you down if they spot you have no license plate or decide they care about the polarized screen you put on top of it. At which point you can bet they’ll want to see your ID and won’t take “I am a sovereign citizen and this is a public road” as an answer.
there is nothing special about flying compared to trains
And you need to tie your body to your ticket when you get on a train. We tend to not care anywhere near as much about security with trains (because everyone knows bombs and box cutters only work if you are at least 100 feet above the ground!), but you can be damned sure the ticket machine where you inserted your cash took a picture of your face to go with it.
I genuinely don’t care about what kind of libertarian nonsense you are on about hating the concept of IDs at all. My point was simply that if you think the RealID requirement has ANY bearing on The Man knowing where you are and where you are going then… you don’t actually understand what your exposure is.
I mean… HOV lanes very often take photos at certain points to see if you have multiple passengers. And often those ARE the ones where individuals/duos can pay for access.
It isn’t “normalizing” to acknowledge what reality is. If it makes you feel better? Ignore the surveillance tech that is already there. But don’t get pissy if others don’t live in the same blissful ignorance.
It isn’t “normalizing” to acknowledge what reality is
Ahh, but what if reality isn’t normal?
Name another point in human history where our identities, our habits, our routine, our very movement within our states borders…was a fucking commodity, with chunks owned by the government and curated by the richest people in the world.
I’ll wait.
And don’t say the slave trade because that’s just admitting that we aren’t free people.
that’s my point. outside of a thin lane or three, which is probably considerable “private” - public infra should be accessible. Last I checked (abt six months ago) I did not need to show ID to hop on the brewster line into grand central.
it’s all just a cash grab and control theater / normalization at airports. there is nothing special about flying compared to trains, except of course: profit.
Because those are public roads. Not high priority roads you pay for access to. Just like fully government funded buses and the like don’t care if you have a ticket or not. Whereas those that are only subsidized tend to still require a pass/ticket/payment.
Also I’ll just point out: Your car has a license plate. It is trivial to read those with an overhead camera. And, depending on the road/day, you can bet a cop will gladly run you down if they spot you have no license plate or decide they care about the polarized screen you put on top of it. At which point you can bet they’ll want to see your ID and won’t take “I am a sovereign citizen and this is a public road” as an answer.
And you need to tie your body to your ticket when you get on a train. We tend to not care anywhere near as much about security with trains (because everyone knows bombs and box cutters only work if you are at least 100 feet above the ground!), but you can be damned sure the ticket machine where you inserted your cash took a picture of your face to go with it.
I genuinely don’t care about what kind of libertarian nonsense you are on about hating the concept of IDs at all. My point was simply that if you think the RealID requirement has ANY bearing on The Man knowing where you are and where you are going then… you don’t actually understand what your exposure is.
And the VIP lane on the highway is a private road?
Whats next, HOV Lane brought to you by Carl’s Jr.?
Stop normalizing the surveillance state. It’s not a good look.
I mean… HOV lanes very often take photos at certain points to see if you have multiple passengers. And often those ARE the ones where individuals/duos can pay for access.
It isn’t “normalizing” to acknowledge what reality is. If it makes you feel better? Ignore the surveillance tech that is already there. But don’t get pissy if others don’t live in the same blissful ignorance.
Ahh, but what if reality isn’t normal?
Name another point in human history where our identities, our habits, our routine, our very movement within our states borders…was a fucking commodity, with chunks owned by the government and curated by the richest people in the world.
I’ll wait.
And don’t say the slave trade because that’s just admitting that we aren’t free people.
i should have clarified: “access” meant physical meatspace access not allowance.