Really proud of Canada not going down the same path my dumb ass country did
Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
It wasn’t by a large margin… Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.
Both Jason Kenney and Andrew Scheer, the two prior Conserrvative leaders, also completely blew their chances of winning by relying on the rightwing outrage pipeline and by being completely unlikable as a human beings.
Side story, I worked in government and received an MP complaint against me by a client, and the MP was Jason Kenney. I had to talk to him a bit everyday for a week or so, and he came off as incredibly stupid. Blew my mind a year later when he was on a ballot lol.
I was asked by a conservative volunteer why I wasn’t voting Con, I told him to write it down for the higher ups “I will never vote for a candidate who makes up cute little trump style nicknames for his opponents like carbon tax carney, and that any politician who rallies against woke culture has brain worms”
Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don’t find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
Source: National Post
It’s not straightforward to understand that, since this is a chart of seats not votes, and you can get weird effects with first-past-the-post and strategic voting, but it certainly looks like the electorate is moving rightwards at the expense of progressives.
On what planet is the BQ (bloq quebecois) a progressive party? NDP and green for sure.
Bloc are literally a Quebec only nationalist/separatist. The cons are angry at them because they “stole” a bunch of their Quebec voters/seats. If that’s your target audience you aren’t on the progressive end of the spectrum.
In the policies section of the page you link, there are a number of positions that are typically associated with “progressive” politics.
And a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because a couple policies from a party are progressive doesn’t overwrite the fact that their founding tenants are hyper nationalistic (if you count Quebec as an independent nation).
Maybe the left is realizing that they are fighting for really critical human rights, their autonomy and their country, so it’s time to stop splitting the vote among marginal left wing parties?
I don’t think the answer to the corrupting influence of America’s rotting republic is to become a two party system.
What’s the answer?
Electoral reform would be a good start. Ranked Choice isn’t perfect, but it’s easy to implement and much better than our current system, asvwe build appetite for a truly progressive voting method.
But splitting the vote isn’t an issue with proportional representation is it? If the libs lose one seat to the greens that’s still one seat not occupied by the cons.
Certainly there’s a lot of strategic voting going on. But you don’t see the Liberal (centrist) seat count increasing as the NDP goes down: the gains are all with the Conservatives. If it were a matter of progressives deciding to just consolidate with Liberals, you’d expect to see the Liberal seat count go up as the smaller parties went down. To me this suggests either that some people are flipping directly from left to right or that there is a general rightwards drift, with right-wing Liberals going over to Conservatives and left-wing strategic voters filling in some of the gap they leave for the Liberals. In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
It’s not surprising at all, the 2 conservative parties in Germany are the most far-right and second most far-right parties. They host politicians who are grandsons and granddaughters of real Nazi SS officers (like the leader of the AfD: Alice Weidel, her grandpa was directly responsible for thousands of civilian deaths as military judge and prosecuter and later chief military judge for Adolf fucking Hitler. They copy their talking points one to one and would love to see people dissappear, who are not looking like them. Conservatives, for the most part, are atrociously far-right.
Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
Electoral Reform will be passed this time… right?
Of course it will … hahahahaha
It was not in the platform. I’ll settle for staying sovereign, maybe we can clean up FPTP later.
Bro I need gaslighting lessons from PP; how is he losing his riding, losing an election he has polled 20+ points in the lead in for almost two years, and yet gives a speech where he not only says he will stay on as leader, but makes it seem like losing the election was his desired outcome??
Really sad about Jagmeet and the NDP wipeout tbh. I know why it happened, but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
Jagmeet was getting wiped out regardless. The fatigue that existed for Trudeau was also present for Singh and Pollievre.
but if I’m not mistaken the universal pharma and dentalcare we have now were initiatives pushed by the NDP that the Liberals get credit for because they were the ones holding the PM seat.
No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP’s contribution.
Same as universal health care… it was an NDP initiative that the Liberals took nationally.
Without the NDP, our Liberals suck… which is why I am sad after this election (still happy PP won’t be around)
I’m hopeful that it really is just a temporary thing given the Trump situation and with a new leader and that behind us (might take more than 1 term of course) that they’ll be able to come back stronger and make the Liberals advance things they wouldn’t otherwise again. Also you never know, maybe they’ll get some leverage with the current set up, but seems less likely for this term.
Agreed… I only vote Liberal when I believe the Conservatives are getting dangerous and the Liberals have a chance to beat them.
I will continue to support the NDP with my vote and wallet in the future
No one who has any political awareness would give the liberals credit for that. That was the NDP’s contribution.
A lot of voters aren’t aware. If it’s not being blasted on repeat by a news channel, then at least 50% of the electorate has no idea what’s happening. We’re also so inundated with American politics that Canadian news gets drowned out as well.
“if I’m not mistaken”
That’s how the NDP loses, even someone who seems to have a minimum of interest in politics isn’t sure that it was the NDP that got us that. Yes, they forced Trudeau’s hand on that question.
Meirdas Touch once again. The orange shit stain backs a Con and all voters take that as a sign that the person is a piece of shit and votes opposite.
Sometimes it works nicely.
Top Poilievre defense he did use a lot of Trump’s talking points and techniques. Branding himself as Trump light.
Temu Trump
He showed who he was, and people believed him, as they should.
Fuck man, I wish I could afford move to Canada right now.
No one can afford to move to Canada. Our housing prices are stupid.
Even more unaffordable for an American. They need to have bankroll to survive a year without income and that includes covering possible medical expenses for 3 months. I have friends who have wanted to move here for years and the hurdles are large even with skills and secondary education. Only those with highly in demand educated skills get an easier path.
No different in America, and corporations are buying up homes so they can jack the prices up even higher. MAGA wants a population of renters so that they can control us by threatening us with homelessness.
I can but they won’t let my friends in. I didn’t realize until I looked into it but national borders are actually quite rigid
You’d have to build new roots in a new place. I’ll admit I worry that I’m running out of time for that at my age, or at the very least the window is closing.
Makes me feel pretty depressed. I’m not super happy with the landscape of people I have to interact with. I have a lot of decent friends but I feel like the number of very close friendships I have is zero due to a lot of major value differences and low population.
I’m feeling the same way. I’ve been mostly “stuck” in wherever I just ended up. Part of me really does fantasize about fleeing somewhere better, especially being in a part of the US with an absolutely abysmal education record (and it shows. Oh boy.)
But besides the resources, I don’t have some ultra compelling reason for a non-volatile nation to bother letting me in.
There’s cool people here, and I try to get along with whomever, but forming relationships feels really high stakes these days since contested politics and tribalism is infecting every facet of peoples’ lives.
Honestley, I was going to vote conservative, even after Trump. And then Pollievre went into third gear with Woke Derangement Syndrome, the guy was having unhinged rants. Couldn’t get a paragraph out without mentioning woke. Ask him to define it, and he’d either PP.EXE stop responding, or he’d fly off the handle with pre-programmed slogans.
Stupid people on both sides of the race. But that was what turned me.
I’m curious, what attracted you to the Conservatives prior to the Maple-MAGA movement?
the last 4 elections I’d voted L > C > C > L
Im a moderate. I thought that the Trudeau Liberals had gone too far left back during the Scheer and Otoole days. Come this time around, I just lost any confidence I had in the Conservative party because they built their identity on “we’re not the liberals”. and failed to convince me they werent just going to kowtow to American Corpo-Fascist interests.
But if you would have asked me about specific policies that irked me to turn Conservative during the past … its been a long time, I’d probably just point to specific times and incidents over the gun policy, immigration, corruption with the SNC lavalin scandal, and maybe foreign policy. I live in a very ignorant and uneducated town in a NS riding that had been pretty hardcore conservative the last 2-3 elections, and my peers probably played a hand in influencing my issues. I thought our riding was solidly going to remain Conservative, CTV projected Cons won, but several hours later they reversed it and Libs have apparentley won it.
Foreign Policy has always been a major “issue” of mine too, Until 2025 when we were faced with the nonzero possibility of actual aggression and conflict with America, the biggest thing that would influence my vote was how seriously the party was going to take the issue of us being more or less, de-facto at war with Russia, Because the “shadow” World War III is something that in my mind took precedent.
Finally something to celebrate in this general vicinity. Congratulations, Canada.
Canada should give Trump the Order of Canada for unifying the country. Do it.
Having a criminal history would likely make him ineligible.
There’s no outright rule against it but several people have been removed from the order for committing crimes.
Felons aren’t allowed in Canada
this outcome has less to do with trump’s actions, and more to do with how the conservatives behaved in spite of those actions.
I think enough people were like me, ready to vote conservative, but then lost faith in the party since they didnt really seem to have a plan on anything once trudeau was gone early. Pollievre’s stock tanked once people saw that Trudeau was gone, and what was happening in the world
Genuine question, what initially led you to wanting to vote conservative and what could they have run on for you to have stuck with then?
I don’t know that ‘Conservative’ exists anymore. I’m American, but I think these comments work everywhere else, as Authoritarianism rises.
Growing up, I believed that liberal/conservative was just a difference in approach, but not a difference in end-goal. Both ‘teams’ wanted the country to prosper. In my 40s, now, I clearly see that we have different goals: Liberals want everyone to be prosperous, healthy, fulfilled. Conservatives value the prosperity only of those on top.
You may identify as conservative, little ‘c’, respect tradition and be careful with spending, etc; but I want you to closely evaluate the actions of people using that label across the globe. A vote for a conservative or right-wing candidate is a vote for the top 1% or less of the population of the planet. They may align with you on some topics, such as religion, abortion, fiscal policies, regulations, and more; but that is a ploy and they are absolutely willing to throw you away as soon as they have your vote and will cut everything you depend on once in power in order to pad their own pockets.
There are certainly perverse incentives and systemic issues that make even liberal politicians support bad policies, but the voter bloc that is ‘liberal’ wants to make things better for everyone. The conservative politicians, at least in the US where I’m paying attention, seem to be hell-bent on making things worse instead.
This has less to do with Trump’s actions, and more to do with how the convervatives behaved…
The line between regressive and conservative is so hard to define. However the former certainly is in ascendancy in America.
Long as you’re voting against fascists man
Poillievre flirted with Trumpian rhetoric though.
He tried to mimic 2016 2020 trump. And it was palatteable to many
But when the 2025 version came out. It disgusted people
I don’t want to vote against anybody. Canada forces such decisions, though, just like the US and the UK.
Explain how they gained more seats then.
The conservatives barely lost because the progressives and the BQ voters cut their legs off to hoist up the liberals.
We’ll see if the liberals take Quebec for granted like NDP did after Layton.
That’ll be important. We’ll also see how Canadians react to the atrocities the USA will commit in the next 4 years too however.
I cannot wait to see how the Trump admin will spin this. Either that or they have a meltdown and immediately call it a rigged election. Bonus points if he tells Canadians to storm their capital.
I’ll be a little surprised if he addresses it more than a passing comment - the US conservative population doesn’t actually give a shit about canada (unless they’re told to be mad about it for some specific scapegoaty reason, but they’ll just forget. Like they’ve all forgotten about the lumber issues, or eggs, or how ‘canada is killing the US garment industry’ that one was cute…). At this point he’s got enough other things to distract them with, so why waste his very limited attention span on something he’s declared a solved issue?
There should be a bingo sheet.
Please, I am begging you, do not make this sheet. Right wing media will pick up on it, the golden one will catch wind of it, and it will become an achievement checklist. Please do not.
They are 100% going to say our election was rigged, and our idiots are going to believe them.
excerpt of facebook comments Ive seen since last night
- “this country is a disgrace”
- " sad day for canada"
- “fucking rigged!”
- “west time to become 51st state”
- “alberta saskatchewan manitoba 51st state of USA!”
- “time to secede”
- “trump will save alberta”
- " insert conspiracy here already picked their candidate, our votes dont count"
- “time to leave”
- accusations of Chinese meddling
- accusaions of European meddling
- accusations of Globalist meddling
Club your idiots with baseball bats. Or cricket bats. Or whatever bats you use up there.
Lacrosse and hockey sticks.
Hopefully Britain follows Canadas footsteps (as we might vote in wish trump)
What elections are coming up in the UK? I thought Starmer won a majority just last year.
no, but local elections are
You do your local elections all at once?
Australian chiming in here and we have an election in a few days time.
The current Opposition Leader is running on a platform of Trump Wannabee.
I really really hope our country tells him to stick it up his fucking ass.
thankfully our 2 party preferred polls look almost the identical to canadas!
I’m still terrified.
Australians have a bad habit of falling for those kind of dog whistle tactics.
The big key is gonna be if we get that sweet 172 seats with Lib+Green+NDP, we are only 1 seat short
If we hit that mark it means, hilariously, the one single green seat is needed to form a majority government without bloc’s help needed
Which will force liberal party to play ball with NDP and Green Party’s more progressive policies.
That’s our ideal scenario, conservatives are told to go kick rocks, and green/ndp get an actual voice on decision making to push the country in a progressive direction.
One. More. Seat!
Currently it seems like there is a highly improbable but mathematically possible outcome where the Conservatives and Bloc Québécois form a government. Canada gets to be the 51st state and Quebec gets to be the 52nd state. 💀
Let’s get that last seat! edit: typos
Bloc have endorsed the liberals already, Quebec is extremely anti trump.
Bloc aligning with conservatives would be political suicide lol.
That’s why I said highly improbable. But if they became states it would be the end of Canadian politics. It would be all American politics at that point. edit: typo
Somehow I don’t see Quebec deciding anything that favors a party that wants everyone to speak English.
I don’t think Quebec will recognize Trump’s rule if he takes control of Canada. It may result in some occupier deaths.
As a dumbass American… Go Canada! Fuck yeah good work!
yes, it is so relieving that this right wing populist trend seems to be failing in our closest neighbor. Hopefully the failure of this administration will wake a lot more places up, and create a greater push back against this trend to the far right.
I wish the reaction to Trump would fuel the left-liberals/social libertarians in Germany. Instead, a quarter of the populace wants to vote for nazis. So I wish I’d live in Canada or some other queer friendly nation that isn’t being dominated by the far right right now.
…gay space communism FTW!..
Fully automatic gay space luxury communism tyvm
We almost went far right too. Our conservatives aren’t nazis but if they won this one we would be following Germany’s footsteps
Also Germany is likely more queer friendly than Canada lol
According to international orgs, Canada is more queer friendly in both public sentiment and legally. Just because violence isnt too common doesn’t mean there is no discrimination. As an androgynous presenting person 50% of the time, I have been verbally assaulted plenty of times both by far right and MLs in Germany.
Ever been to Canada? You’d be welcomed in Vancouver Calgary Toronto Montreal but go to a smaller place and you’d be in for a rough time
Some in Germany. Though there are even larger cities that aren’t very queer friendly in Germany, especially in the east.
One anecdote: Trans people do exist in rural Canada. The woman who sold me tires outside Saskatoon was I’m-pretty-sure-maybe-definitely trans and gave every appearance of getting along fine with her coworkers.
I can’t speak to her quality of life generally but anyway nobody has chased her off to Vancouver yet. I would imagine tire shops are probably on the worse end for harassment so if Saskatoon was hell on earth for trans people she probably wouldn’t pick a tire shop to work at.
Because the “left liberals” in Germany are also Nazis arguing that Israel is allowed to kill civilians in Gaza.
