Imagine fighting and risking your life in a foreign country on behalf of a pedophile.
You forgot oil . Those executives cant get that 5th yacht unless innocent desert children die
People are doing it for money, that is why it is so important to help the poor. When people are poor, they can do whatever a rich guy says
I agree that it’s important to help the poor to make them less susceptible to financial coercion. After all, that is what capitalism does to quantitive measurements of debt, turns it from debt forgiveness to debt peonage. The second part isn’t necessarily true, there are plenty of poor people that don’t do what rich people tell them to, and plenty of rich people who happily do what rich people tell them to do.
I agree that it’s important to help the poor to make them less susceptible to financial coercion. After all, that is what capitalism does to quantitive measurements of debt, turns it from debt forgiveness to debt peonage. The second part isn’t necessarily true, there are plenty of poor people that don’t do what rich people tell them to, and plenty of rich people who happily do what rich people tell them to do.
It’s simpler then that, it’s a car.
Hey, if we are fighting Islamic fundamentalists, they are doing it too.
I feel like this needs to be updated
NVIDIA OpenAI Palantir Meta X Google Apple Anthropic
It needs oil and weapon manufacturer logos.
this one is missing
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Isn’t this the 3rd time during the Epstein presidency that soldiers have been served their penultimate meal?
Bro. The Epstein presidency has been running since the mid-90s. It’s a lot more than 3 times.
Approximately 45% of the available combat ready aircraft are in position at various air bases, which include carriers. One does not deploy and concentrate air assets like that unless you want the shit to hit the fan. Wasting billions for nothing.
This is Trump’s MO, I think he was hoping for a lot more coverage from the media on this to drown out the Epstein stuff. I guess he thinks if he does order a strike, it will help take the pedo-heat off him, but it’d be the most foolish decision he’s ever made, Iran are not to be fucked with militarily.
Indeed, another distraction. I’m going to laugh if the EU NATO members tells the USA our airspace is off limits.
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He’s not very good at controlling the narrative. Of course it helps to not actually commit crimes that everyone will hate you for.
The media aren’t going to report that Trump has moved carriers into position because what’s the story “Trump has moved carriers into position they haven’t done anything though”. Nah, it’s either big explosions or they will go after the actual juicy story.
Of course internationally the media get way more views for dunking on Trump than anything else, so they’re not going to drop the Epstein story until Trump is either convicted or he’s dead.
He won’t attack Iran, they have the Kompromat
May they suffer in eternal hell for what they are doing
Focus that rage upward.
I have such distain for our military industrial complex and ICE, but I recognize so much of the problem is desperate people taking desperate measures. They decided it’s better to risk your life in a foreign war than it is to be home watching you and your family whither away with no healthcare, education, or money. I don’t agree but I can understand- debt will put anyone in a pressure cooker. Two things can be true at once- being a stoog for American imperialism makes you horrible, but people who are stooges can still be people to show sympathy for when you consider the factors at play.
When the revolution comes, as all revolutions do, it is only when the military allows the people to storm the gates. In my head we don’t need to thank service members as much as say I’m so sorry what this country did to them.
I’m Persian, from Iran. I don’t give a fuck why those yank butchers signed up to go murder my family. They already killed my moms side in Iraq now they’re going to go kill my dad’s side. Fuck them and I hope they burn in hell. I wish they would skip to the part where they shoot themselves drunk and spare my family that remains in Iran.
As an Iranian, I agree. Oh, poor baby needs to pay for college, so my dad needs to die? Disgusting ghouls.
Frankly, yea you’re right. Our military is absolutely brutally evil. And the reason they were there was to make the rich richer. Frankly when Americans sign up for the military, they should choose a branch and an oil company to serve as well.
I can’t really convince you of anything else, other than know that most everyone I talk to knows we have more in common with you halfway around the world than either of us do with the people who send the military to kill. We don’t hate you, and I’m so sorry what they did to you.
On this side of the world, keeping our class divided will only perpetuate this cycle. War is as profitable an industry as healthcare, so why expect peace or cures if the people in charge are only in it for their own gain?
I’m so sorry for what this horrible country did. No one deserves that fate. But one day hatchets between comrades need to be buried and replaced with guillotines for kings.
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Small story time because I realize the Neo-Futurists don’t seem to record their show and this should be in writing somewhere.
Context: The Neo-Futurists are an experimental theater company based in Chicago but have spread internationally. They have a show where they do 30 scripts in an hour, so each “play” is like… 2 or 3 minutes.
When I went they had one play called “How to Kill a King”
The lights went dark. Then the projector turned on and said “put your phone and wallet into the bucket”. The cast came out holding buckets, and everyone did just that, including me. Then the cast left the theater with the buckets.
Then the projector said:
“Your possessions will be waiting for you in the lobby after the show”
“Trust that you will have your wallet and phone back at the end of the show”
“Trust that the people around you won’t steal your wallet and phone”
“Trust that the people around you have your best interest in mind, and don’t wish you any harm”
“That is how you Kill a King”
And sure enough when we left, everyones stuff was splayed out on some tables and everyone got their stuff back.
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But it is Iranians in North America urging Trump to invade.
350,000 chanting “King Reza Pahlavi”, they want to restore the monarchy and bring back the elite class.
Yes, let’s listen to people living in the US constantly under US propaganda apparatus who won’t suffer the consequence of invasion instead of, you know, actual Iranians living in the country
Iran is a horrifying dictatorship that deserves nothing less to be taken out with force. The only travesty is that American, on our own path of dictatorship and horrifying capitalism is the one who might do it.
We can take care of ourselves. Thinking that you can “take out” a dictatorship is absolute baby brain levels of understanding how the world works. A power vacuum is never filled by something positive and you support creating the conditions to make everything worse. Grow up.
You can eh? Then do it. I’m not so naive to think that uprising without outside intervention always succeed. Historically, outside support is very helpful for successful uprising.
You can’t just take out a dictatorship. And I don’t think that. You need long standing dedicated occupation that builds up the country over decades to have successes like japan.
You have no right to invade and occupy other countries. All you yank fuckers will do is make everything worse and kill a lot of people. Why don’t you stay in your own fucking country and kill yourselves.
I see you missed the part where I very clearly stated I did not want the usa invading iran. Saying that from a violent dictatorship is actually crazy, though. Really being a pot here.
Iran is a horrifying dictatorship that deserves nothing less to be taken out with force.
To be replaced by King Reza Pahlavi, another dictator.
That’s why I think it’s horrifying that the usa is the one invading, yes
Nah. I wouldn’t go kill and rape people because a pedo told me to and gives me some crumbs. Destroying countless families to not even save your own, is a fucked up move and i hope they suffer real good for that decision
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They’re sending them to kill and be killed
It means it’s surf and turf Friday at the chow hall?
Seriously. I spent 4 years in the army and “surf & turf night” is nothing unusual. And desserts & pies are available every day.
tomorrow we dine in hell
I think I need petah explains here. Not in the us military, so ignorante about this
This is the “You’re about to maybe face gruesome death tomorrow” meal. It’s one last pat on the back for morale before they send you to die.
Not in the us either, but these are thought of as ‘quality’ foods (especially for soldiers), so its akin to them having a ‘last dinner’ of sorts before a deployment. Since middle east, and US has syrian (or iranian??) interests I assume its Syria (or Iran?), and that something big is aboutto go down there.
US is pulling out of Syria so probably just relocating south
Yankees going to murder more women and children, like they always do
The final supper
Relevant, but also this song just rips.
They’re gonna go kill brown people to get the focus off of the richest ruling elite in the world (including their own commander in chief) trafficking, raping, and murdering children.
So exactly what has been keeping the US alive for over a century, yes.
Just like the founding fathers intended.
And it won’t even work
Remember when DOGE shut down USAID? There’s an epidemiologist from Boston university who’s been making models to estimate the human cost of it, so far they’re showing more than half a million dead children: https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=interval_minutes&order=asc
No one’s paying attention to it. The whole matter has been forgotten, because the whole zone has been so thoroughly flooded.
Seriously? It’ll definitely work for more people than one dares to believe. It’s not about it working in the way you mean on us, the people that nothing will work on, it’s about everyone else. And for us that have functional empathy, conscience, intelligence etc. it will work in another way, we see the horrors about to happen. We see the people it’s going to happen to as actual people and anyone can only handle so much. It’s the classic “do or confess bad thing to make other bad thing seem less relevant”, and that works on everyone, just in different ways.
I can absolutely see even here on lemmy being filled with news about this and less about what they’re doing this to take attention away from. It’ll work on me, no matter how much I don’t want it to, because I feel for the people who will suffer and die from this. And It’ll work on others in other ways.Yeah, we’ve already firmly established that the majority of the US still doesn’t care about these countries. I doubt it’ll be more than a blip.
Iranians are white.
In the '20s, people considered Irish immigrants not to be white. It’s a meaningless label that people subjectively change the definition of just to other those they don’t like
Irish people are like physically some of the whitest people in existence. All the Celts, Germanics are up there, very fair skin, starved of vitamin d for ages presumably they developed that skin to produce more when they did get sun.
I know! That’s why it’s so amusing. Racism is so irrational.
They don’t think so, or they don’t care.
It’s not about white or brown. It’s easier for them to get support to abuse the brown people, it doesn’t mean white people are safe, or they won’t be working to hurt them. In fact everything they are doing is getting license to hurt white people en masse in the united states proper, while they steal elections, and throw protesters in camps, with courts unable to issue nationwide injunctions now.
That said, the Iranians are basically white, without the head gear they would fit right in, Iran means Aryan by the way. From being settled by horse tribes from the steppes of Asia around 1,500 bc,
My family is literally Caucasian from the Caucus mountains in Iran lol
The caucasian thing to describe white people is basically all made up though, like they don’t know, that was a theory that took off and got repeated so often it’s accepted as fact.
It was never about skin colour though, was it?
disclaimer for people who don't like to interpret internet comments charitably
(even if it was, that wouldn’t make racism acceptable ofc)
I love that disclaimer. I feel like I need to put it on everything. People seem quite incapable of separating descriptive and normative statements on here.
Sometimes I feel like people have misinterpreted all my social critiques as advocacy for the things I was critiquing.
Like I’ll point something out, say “Society tends to do such-and-such,” implying, “and that’s wrong,” but what people hear instead is “as it should.”
Like, I could explicitly state “and that’s wrong” all the time, but sometimes that would get a “no shit” reaction, or possibly come off as performative.
Sometimes there’s just no winning…
Small minds, they are not used to braining. They think making a statement means promoting that thing. They think criticizing an argument automatically means you disagree with it.
Both true statements.
Social justice topics are particularly sticky to navigate, especially as someone who isn’t visibly a minority. Like if I say “[such-and-such] minorities aren’t oppressed,” they’ll say “how dare you say that, yes they are!” But if I say “[such-and-such] minorities are oppressed,” they’ll say “how dare you say that, that’s so patronizing!” And if I don’t say anything, they’ll say “how dare you remain silent about the plight of so many people!” Again, there’s no winning.
They think criticizing an argument automatically means you disagree with it.
Yeah, I’m far more likely to criticize an argument that I agree with in essence but disagree in substance or method. Like, if someone is completely wrong about something and has no inclination of being convinced otherwise, usually I won’t waste my time. I don’t argue with right-wingers online anymore because there’s no fucking point, I don’t have the time and energy for that, and I don’t even visit the same spaces of the internet as them. The most I’ll do when I see them in the wild is ridicule them and move on.
If I see a leftist arguing poorly, however, I’ll usually chip in my ten cents as to how they could improve their argument. Whether the focus should be slightly different, or there’s a better way to argue the same thing, or the premises could be more factual, or the logic more structurally valid. If I disagree about the nuances of their argument, I’ll present a nuanced argument of my own.
But some people seem to think that if I’m arguing with leftists, then I must be a right-winger. That’s incorrect. If I was a right-winger, I would be spending more time in right-wing spaces and less in leftist spaces. I wouldn’t bother arguing with people who’s perspectives and worldviews are so categorically different from my own. If I wasn’t a leftist, I wouldn’t care if leftists online could be making better arguments.
Also, more and more these days I find myself treating tankies like I treat right-wingers. They’re equally as deluded, irrational, heavyhanded, and authoritarian. They don’t listen to reason or facts and evidence. It’s all ideology, propaganda, DARVO, gaslighting, insults, and accusations with them.
But I do still argue with them, because they’re so pervasive in left-wing spaces, and I don’t want them dominating the narrative. I want other leftists, less extreme leftists, rational and empathetic leftists, to have spaces where they feel comfortable having intelligent discussions without it turning into a tankie circlejerk.
Example:
When I was still on reddit, a few years ago the democratic socialists sub was overrun with tankies. Like, they already had all the other leftist subs, couldn’t they just leave this one that’s supposed to be the least extreme and most inclusive of diverse opinions? So I started arguing with them about why authoritarian behavior shouldn’t be tolerated there, that it’s a democratic socialist sub and should be treated as such. It caught on, and other peoplw picked up the argument. Eventually the mods had a vote on whether to ban ML harassment. It passed, and now MLs are still allowed there, but if they attack people for disagreement then they get banned.
But tankies don’t actually engage with my arguments in good faith, they just call me a fascist because I refuse to kowtow to their moral pedestal-standing and ideological purism. And in effect, they water down the meaning of the word ‘fascist’ and make it harder to be taken seriously when I point to actual examples of fascism.
Americans don’t think so. They think they’re all Arabs.
That is true they do.
No foreign wars #2.
Pedophilic Boogaloo
@ickplant Putting soldiers in harms way to distract from the epstein files should get the fat fuck the death sentence.
Oh he’s way past that point already. Even the most horrible of public executions would not be punishment enough.
Let him burn in hell forever, if hell indeed exists.
I’ve been saying that cutting USAID and the nearly million deaths that followed in the subsequent months as a direct result of cutting a program that as much as a couple of his planned ballrooms, should get him hanged slowly at the hague.
Out of everything he’s done, this along with rolling back environmental protections will have caused the most harm and suffering to humanity and these are the things getting the least attention.
Imagine having the power to ruin the lives of countless millions of living souls and doing it for no other reason than to prove how “not woke” you are and to add another several cents per share to your donor’s investments.
Nixon and Reagan both conspired with hostile foreign governments to win elections and we let both of those guys off the hook. Why would this be different?
Because we’ve had enough? Because we’ve learned our lesson?
Or maybe we haven’t?
I don’t see a whole lot of lesson-learning going on. Except by those who have been taught that when they break laws there isn’t punishment
The POLITICIANS don’t seem to have learned anything, at least the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries haven’t. They might as well be working for them.
But the Citizens have. We know that the Dems have done nearly nothing to protect us from the MAGA scourge, and we are likely to have to do it ourselves.
But some are awake, and others are waking. We may yet be able to force the Dems to do their jobs, and fight for us. How the Dems respond to the inevitable MAGA screaming when they get crushed in the Midterms will tell the tale. If Schmuck & Jeffries let them get away with stealing this election, too, like they did with 2024, them we’ll have to take matters into our own hands.
And for their fecklessness, our elected Dems will find themselves nearly as big an enemy as MAGA.
Different?
Yeah. The ruling class, and the oligarchs who own them, have made it abundantly clear they will burn the whole system down rather than allow one of their own to be held accountable.
See also: Biden 2020/AG Garland
They need the current system in place way more than we do. They benefit greatly by this system, we don’t. They may THREATEN to burn it down, but they won’t. They worked too hard, and they benefit too much by it, to let it go.
Before they’ll destroy the system that has made them wealthy, and will continue to make them wealthy, they’ll surrender, and live to fight another day.
They’ll kill MAGA before they’ll kill the THEIR economy.
They are using the dissolution of the USSR as their model.
The current system transfers wealth upwards, but they will be happy to dismantle it if it means they can seize control of all the national infrastructure, resources, and the machinery of State directly and permanently.
If we read of one man robbed, or murdered, or killed by accident, or one house burned, or one vessel wrecked, or one steamboat blown up, or one cow run over on the Western Railroad, or one mad dog killed, or one lot of grasshoppers in the winter, - we need never read of another. One is enough. If you are acquainted with the principle, what do you care for a myriad instances and applications?
-Thoreau, Walden
One burned down system please!
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But instead it will probably get him more adoration from his base.
Who am I kidding? It’s not probably, it’s definitely.
For now, foreign wars are a slow burn on popularity, for now he will be popular, before too long people will hate him for it, he will be gone soon anyway though he already doesn’t know what is going on, or he wouldn’t be betraying his america first bullshit.
And they’ll just latch on to the next toad creature that comes along, they always do, they won’t all suddenly un-fascist themselves.
Oh yeah, the party’s base is radicalized, and the establishment are all in on fascist dictatorship time. It’s just a matter of who wins the succession fight, and if they can hold it, and steal it if need be, with their new leader during the fight. Vance won’t get it, someone will take it from him.
The project 2025 people, the religious right, their business dickheads, and their assorted partizans are all in on it, anyone with loyalty to country, and elections, over the party, has been purged after they gave themselves away in 2020, and none of them were purged, not in government and bureaucracy, after 2020 either because Biden let them all get away with it, so noble to let captured agencies fail in their statutory duties in the most basic of their missions, preventing the republic from being killed in all but name with elections fixed, but I digress.
The only way out is popular reform by a strong opposition leader that organizes the opposition, and knows how to build and run a political machine, and we won’t seemingly have that, so Republicans get to carry on their shit show it appears.
So at this point, the way out is through revolution?
Pedos or not there is no way the USA would stay out of waging new wars either way, it’s literally its bread and butter and can’t exist without it. The machine is getting itchy, it needs blood, that simple.
