You don’t have to be a tankie to recognize that they are enforcing international law. In that context of a civil war their actions are uncharacteristically peaceful.
“ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME MUST BE A TANKIE!!!”
I’m not a Tankie, and you can check through my entire comment history to easily confirm that. I just can’t help but notice that people have been saying “China is about to attack Taiwan any day now” for years and it never comes. Maybe they’re just not as bad as us?
The fact you think china is pursuing peaceful unification kind of outs you. They are not giving Taiwan a choice; comply or face death.
Also I want all nations to behave better, especially Israel and the US right now. I don’t generally think China is bad and the people certainly are not, but bad actions should be called out and criticized regardless of who you are. That’s how we become better people.
Who said anything about being the same? Israel is the worst offender in the world.
China is planning for an invasion of Taiwan, so they’re certainly putting together a backup plan in case Taiwan doesn’t agree to become part of China. Doesn’t seem like they’d need that sort of thing if they were being truly peaceful.
It’s also things like your analysis being “flies a plane near a country” that is a sign you aren’t being adequately critical of china and I question your seriousness and reasons.
I mean, seriously, look at this map and tell me how you consider this “peaceful”:
China is planning for an invasion of Taiwan, so they’re certainly putting together a backup plan
Yes, a backup plan for a potential case of Taiwan being used as a static US aircraft carrier against it in a war. You remember that they’re still at war, right? No peace treaty was ever signed between the KMT and the CPC.
Look at your own source:
Shortly after U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s arrival in Taipei, China announced plans to hold live-fire drills
It’s almost as if the drills are a response to something other than just Taipei not yet being willing to re-unify.
I also note that the bright red symbols on the mark connote a sense of urgency and yet this is from 2022. Obviously the invasion must be happening any day now…
The map also references other drills from 1995-1996 which I note are denoted as “Third Taiwan Strait Crisis”… If they were at 3 crises by 1996, I can’t imagine how many crises we’ve had since, considering liberals have been unable to shut the fuck up about this for decades.
Right. Reactionary. That must be why china is requiring that all civilian ferries are capable of RORO of tank sized vehicles and why they’re building massive landing barges capable of handling landing on Taiwan’s rocky coasts.
Taiwan has every right to be concerned with an invasion because it’s what china keeps saying.
So, no, you don’t get to wave your propaganda wand and make a very real issue go away.
“I’m not being reactionary!! They have a marine corps!! And invasion plans for the region held by the enemy resistance forces. They’ve said that they’re committed to peaceful reunification and haven’t attempted any invasions for decades despite many opportunities, but that’s all just been an act, they’re gonna invade aaaany day now!”
I mean, they literally are planning for an invasion. Whether they will is up for debate, but they’re definitely designing their naval fleet for it and performing exercises simulationing an invasion.
That isn’t even true. Imperialism is often spread through soft power. I thought that was the entire point you were making, that China was exerting soft power in an imperialist manner… if China invades Taiwan, I will be right there with you, calling it out, but history has shown that the CPC is quite restrained, and I see no reason for them to change their approach.
Maybe ALL imperialism is bad.*
Well yeah obviously, no maybes about that. I am not supporting Chinese imperialism in any way. My point is that the US imperialism is unbelievably bad and much worse, and yet people here just can’t accept that very reasonable critique without getting bent out of shape accusing me of all kinds of shit, including that I am a tankie. Y’all need to recognize the mainstream narrative is told to you by the exact same media that have been lying to us all along to push US imperialism. The media is owned by the ruling class. Please stop being so short sighted.
People have been saying that about Russia for many years until it happened.
Unlike Trump, most leaders aren’t rushing into things. They wait until conditions are favourable, and there are an incredible number of conditions to take into account for operations like this.
Other people wrongly believed that Russia, despite having already invaded Ukraine in 2014, that Russia would not invade Ukraine again, for some reason. I am not those people. I am pointing out to you that they have had those favorable conditions already, a number of times, and no invasion ever came. If you want to believe that they just have just one more condition to take into account before invading Taiwan, you have the right to believe that.
But the United States is far worse, and that was my entire point. I don’t want to defend China. Fuck China. But the US has done imperialism for centuries at this point
I guess we’ll see. Their internal rhetoric in regards to Taiwan, as well as their expansionism and unprompted hostilities towards other nations in the region do not inspire me with confidence.
There is a pervasive form of Chinese nationalism and exceptionalism, married with Han Chinese supremacy, woven into their national myth that’s much less blatant and loud than what we’re used to from the US, but it’s there nevertheless and it serves the same purpose.
China: Doesn’t even consider Taiwan’s right exist and is forcing their unification with aggressive military incursions in their territory.
Tankie like you: ALL WEST BAD, ONLY CHINA GOOD AND EVERY VALID CRITICISM IS WESTERN PROPAGANDA.
Okay, buddy.
Perhaps
Really? Sources please.
You don’t have to be a tankie to recognize that they are enforcing international law. In that context of a civil war their actions are uncharacteristically peaceful.
“ANYONE WHO DISAGREES WITH ME MUST BE A TANKIE!!!”
I’m not a Tankie, and you can check through my entire comment history to easily confirm that. I just can’t help but notice that people have been saying “China is about to attack Taiwan any day now” for years and it never comes. Maybe they’re just not as bad as us?
The fact you think china is pursuing peaceful unification kind of outs you. They are not giving Taiwan a choice; comply or face death.
Also I want all nations to behave better, especially Israel and the US right now. I don’t generally think China is bad and the people certainly are not, but bad actions should be called out and criticized regardless of who you are. That’s how we become better people.
Israel: does a genocide
China: flies a plane near a country they’ve been at war with for over 70 years
Liberals: “hmm yes these seem about the same to me”
Who said anything about being the same? Israel is the worst offender in the world.
China is planning for an invasion of Taiwan, so they’re certainly putting together a backup plan in case Taiwan doesn’t agree to become part of China. Doesn’t seem like they’d need that sort of thing if they were being truly peaceful.
It’s also things like your analysis being “flies a plane near a country” that is a sign you aren’t being adequately critical of china and I question your seriousness and reasons.
I mean, seriously, look at this map and tell me how you consider this “peaceful”:
Yes, a backup plan for a potential case of Taiwan being used as a static US aircraft carrier against it in a war. You remember that they’re still at war, right? No peace treaty was ever signed between the KMT and the CPC.
Look at your own source:
It’s almost as if the drills are a response to something other than just Taipei not yet being willing to re-unify.
I also note that the bright red symbols on the mark connote a sense of urgency and yet this is from 2022. Obviously the invasion must be happening any day now…
The map also references other drills from 1995-1996 which I note are denoted as “Third Taiwan Strait Crisis”… If they were at 3 crises by 1996, I can’t imagine how many crises we’ve had since, considering liberals have been unable to shut the fuck up about this for decades.
Please, calm down, you are being reactionary.
Right. Reactionary. That must be why china is requiring that all civilian ferries are capable of RORO of tank sized vehicles and why they’re building massive landing barges capable of handling landing on Taiwan’s rocky coasts.
Taiwan has every right to be concerned with an invasion because it’s what china keeps saying.
So, no, you don’t get to wave your propaganda wand and make a very real issue go away.
“I’m not being reactionary!! They have a marine corps!! And invasion plans for the region held by the enemy resistance forces. They’ve said that they’re committed to peaceful reunification and haven’t attempted any invasions for decades despite many opportunities, but that’s all just been an act, they’re gonna invade aaaany day now!”
You remind me of a Russian propagandist right before one of their invasions of Ukraine.
Yeah, they’ve been planning to invade next week for decades now…
I mean, they literally are planning for an invasion. Whether they will is up for debate, but they’re definitely designing their naval fleet for it and performing exercises simulationing an invasion.
Maybe ALL imperialism is bad.*
Fucking first worlders, they don’t seem to understand that countries want to be left alone seemingly.
edt: I said the wrong word.
That isn’t even true. Imperialism is often spread through soft power. I thought that was the entire point you were making, that China was exerting soft power in an imperialist manner… if China invades Taiwan, I will be right there with you, calling it out, but history has shown that the CPC is quite restrained, and I see no reason for them to change their approach.
Well yeah obviously, no maybes about that. I am not supporting Chinese imperialism in any way. My point is that the US imperialism is unbelievably bad and much worse, and yet people here just can’t accept that very reasonable critique without getting bent out of shape accusing me of all kinds of shit, including that I am a tankie. Y’all need to recognize the mainstream narrative is told to you by the exact same media that have been lying to us all along to push US imperialism. The media is owned by the ruling class. Please stop being so short sighted.
People have been saying that about Russia for many years until it happened.
Unlike Trump, most leaders aren’t rushing into things. They wait until conditions are favourable, and there are an incredible number of conditions to take into account for operations like this.
Other people wrongly believed that Russia, despite having already invaded Ukraine in 2014, that Russia would not invade Ukraine again, for some reason. I am not those people. I am pointing out to you that they have had those favorable conditions already, a number of times, and no invasion ever came. If you want to believe that they just have just one more condition to take into account before invading Taiwan, you have the right to believe that.
But the United States is far worse, and that was my entire point. I don’t want to defend China. Fuck China. But the US has done imperialism for centuries at this point
I guess we’ll see. Their internal rhetoric in regards to Taiwan, as well as their expansionism and unprompted hostilities towards other nations in the region do not inspire me with confidence.
There is a pervasive form of Chinese nationalism and exceptionalism, married with Han Chinese supremacy, woven into their national myth that’s much less blatant and loud than what we’re used to from the US, but it’s there nevertheless and it serves the same purpose.