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    He must have posted over on his hexbear account.

    Tankie brigade is here to make sure everyone knows that they think ukraine is filled with Nazis…and now Zelenskyy is a Zionist…tankies gonna tank I guess.

    Another one added to the tag group.

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      Jesus Christ you’re hopeless.

      I even provided a liberal western media source for you, but you’re right, suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews) is tankie brigading.

      And dismissing that zelenski is a Zionist is… I don’t even know how to label that, you’re just shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming “LALALA TANKIE TANKIE TANKIE”.

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        So does russia also have a nazi problem then? Where they allied with hitler? Or you just want to keep spewing tankie shit to fit russias narrative?

        And if I can remember correctly…jews aren’t exactly fans of nazis…or are you one of those Holocaust deniers as well?

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          Or you just want to keep spewing tankie shit to fit russias narrative?

          I have not once defended Russia or their war on Ukraine, I simply said Ukraine is not perfect, and that it’s really stupid to keep calling people tankies simply for criticizing it.

          So does russia also have a nazi problem then?

          Not particularly. Russia/the RSFSR is generally understood as a major victim of Nazi Germany, even though some Russians did collaborate. That is different from saying Russia had the same kind of widespread Nazi collaboration problem seen in some other occupied regions.

          https://encyclopedia.yivo.org/article/2015

          Where they allied with hitler?

          The USSR was, temporarily. The Nazi-Soviet pact in 1939 was a real agreement, and it helped enable the joint destruction of Poland. But that does not erase the fact that the RSFSR was later invaded by Nazi Germany and suffered enormously, including over 119,000 Jewish victims in the occupied parts of Soviet Russia. So no, “Russians suffered under Nazism” and “the USSR collaborated with Hitler before 1941” are both true.

          Is it tankie shit to read history books? The Red Army liberated Auschwitz!

          You calling me a tankie doesn’t change facts or history. Russia invading Ukraine is bad.

          Historically, there was substantial Ukrainian collaboration with the Nazi occupation, including the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police, which Yad Vashem says assisted German forces in anti-Jewish operations and other repressive actions, while the Holocaust in Ukraine was one of the main killing grounds of the entire genocide.

          FSR was mainly on the receiving end of Nazi occupation and mass murder. Ukraine, by contrast, was not only a major killing ground of the Holocaust but also saw meaningful local collaboration, and it still has a real far-right problem today. Freedom House has explicitly described far-right extremism in Ukraine as a threat to Ukrainian democracy and documented violent intimidation by right-wing radical groups.

          That doesn’t make all Ukrainians Nazis; it just means the history and the present are uglier than the usual clean nationalist story. And calling people tankies for criticizing Ukraine or Zelenski is really, really, stupid.

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        suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews)

        You mean ‘The Ukraine’, as in, a member state of the USSR as it existed at that time, and not ‘Ukraine’ a sovereign country, which it has been since 1991.

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          Because changing the country magically erases its crimes and changes the racism and hatred in its people?

          Yeah… And Russia is no longer in the USSR, all good there, nothing to see. New country new history.