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          Finland lost ww2 as a member of the axis. The finnish army aided in the siege and starvation of Leningrad, which was one of the worst atrocities of ww2.

          After they lost the war, they ceded part of their territory to become an SSR, and were never strong enough again to challenge the eastern bloc.

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            Did something happen prior to that which may have made Finland less than friendly to the Soviet Union?

            I wonder why they may not have wanted to ally with the country that just invaded them.

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              Finland was one of the front lines of the Russian revolution, and the whites used finland as a base of monarchist assaults and intrigues against the world’s first socialist state.

              The finnish communists then unfortunately lost their civil war, the finns then killed all their communists and made the communist party illegal, and became one of the fascist / reactionary powers in the 30s like nazi germany.

              Territorial disputes between the whites and reds escalated during the 30s leading to the winter wars, which finland lost, then ww2, which finland also lost.

              You are again siding with the reactionary side of history.

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                So Finland was a legitimate target because 20 years prior they were a jumping off point for the losing side of a civil war? Is that the gist?

                It was actually precipitated by the Soviet’s demand that the Fins cede territory that kicked off the war.

                You are siding with the imperialists here.

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                The Soviets invaded Poland in conjunction with the Nazis under the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, are you sure you want to go down that route now?

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                  A)Whataboutism:)

                  B) Absolutely reddit brained and incorrect. The nazis invaded, the government collapsed, then the Soviets moved in from the east to evacuate civillians and secure defensive positions. This action saved 7 million people, as opposed to the Finnish participation in the Nazi seige of Leningrad which killed a million people. And that’s not even getting into Finland’s concentration camps.

                  Now what kind of person would equivocate the two, I wonder?🤔

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                    You’re misusing “whataboutism”, you should drop that from your rotation.

                    We’re not limited to one point of discussion here, etc.

                    Primus~ “He’s a murderer, how dare he murder Bob!”

                    Secundus~ “That’s because Bob killed his entire family!”

                    Primus~ “Whataboutism!”

                    Secundus~ “You win the debate, I am wrong, I’m sorry.”

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

                    I know you’ve heard the term many times and are excited to join in… but don’t.

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      Jesus, at this point why don’t you just admit that by “non-authoritarian” you just mean “white”.

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        You start out in 1954 by saying, “C___k c___k c___k” By 1968 you can’t say “c___k”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, authoritarianism, tiny guy square, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about social credit scores and the seven dash line, and all these things you’re talking about are totally distorted fever dreams and a byproduct of them is, Chinese people get treated with inherent suspicion.… “Chinese propaganda” is much more abstract than even the Russian bot thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “C___k, c___k.”

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      Finland? Where despite years of protest by the people, the state continues to buy Israeli weapons and cooperate with the zionist entity in the development of military tech and spyware? The state currently ignoring the very clear wishes of it’s people in order to aid and abet a historically unpopular genocide?

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      The country that was a Nazi ally and didn’t drop the swastika from their air force insignia until 2025? Finland the country currently implementing mass austerity while giving tax cuts to the rich? That Finland?

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        The Finnish Air Force swastika is such an interesting case to me, because the moment you do a google for “Finnish air force swastika”, you are blasted with rationalizations: “predates nazism”, “good luck charm”, “innocent”, “unrelated to Hitler”. You get blasted with rationalizations before you can even see the history: which is that the innocent wholesome chungus dude who brought the swastika was Hermann Göring’s brother in law lol.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_von_Rosen

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          which is that the innocent wholesome chungus dude who brought the swastika was Hermann Göring’s brother in law lol.

          And the fact that he was himself a leading member of the Swedish National Socialist Bloc (Nazi party)