Trans men can’t compete against women because that’s literally illegal doping. My kid wanted to start T at 18 and wanted to do soccer at school and I had to gently remind him that was not possible, the school isn’t allowed to let girls onto the boys team (for sports that have a girls team) and then they could not be on the girls team either.
So that’s already handled with existing rules.
I do agree with more categories, if we already have categories, and if there are enough people in a given category to field a team. Schools don’t need to rank teams, honestly, they could just stop doing that, let the kids play on mixed teams and be better off. I don’t personally know any trans people who think it’s unfair they can’t do pro sports, though I’m sure they exist.
I do know a lady who transitioned though, did yoga with her and she could still do better more of the things guys are better at, despite being on E for a long time because she still had the shoulders & frame like a guy, weight distribution different. Was also 6’3" but height doesn’t confer specific advantage in yoga.
they lose all their muscle mass after transition. Estrogen does that
Yeah, estrogen does make you lose considerable muscle mass. That really, really shouldn’t be surprising. I used to be able to do overhead shoulder presses at around 40 kg without deliberately maintaining muscle mass. After 10 years of estrogen and antiandrogens, I can’t do 18 kg and that is with active training including a much more careful protein-based diet.
All your example suggests is that the 6’3" trans woman can do is… Something a 6’3" woman can do. Cisgender people aren’t discriminated against because of their natural height, their frame or their reach either, but applying that to a trans woman for something as non-competitive as yoga is all kinds of weird.
While frame doesn’t change much, it becomes much, much harder to use that frame, which becomes a considerable disadvantage. Muscle mass of trans women is less than cis women, our T levels (if properly suppressed) are drastically lower than that of cis women.
Or, to be as pithy as your final comment. Bones and the muscoskeletal system have mass, WTF?
Yoga isn’t competitive, but is physical exercise, that was why the example. Sport in general could be less competitive, and more fun.
There are already lots of categories in competitive sports. Nobody at my kids school was hostile towards the trans kids, that hostility is coming from the state and a few parents and the schools, as far as we can tell, are doing their best to insulate the kids from it.
Trans men can’t compete against women because that’s literally illegal doping. My kid wanted to start T at 18 and wanted to do soccer at school and I had to gently remind him that was not possible, the school isn’t allowed to let girls onto the boys team (for sports that have a girls team) and then they could not be on the girls team either.
So that’s already handled with existing rules.
I do agree with more categories, if we already have categories, and if there are enough people in a given category to field a team. Schools don’t need to rank teams, honestly, they could just stop doing that, let the kids play on mixed teams and be better off. I don’t personally know any trans people who think it’s unfair they can’t do pro sports, though I’m sure they exist.
I do know a lady who transitioned though, did yoga with her and she could still do better more of the things guys are better at, despite being on E for a long time because she still had the shoulders & frame like a guy, weight distribution different. Was also 6’3" but height doesn’t confer specific advantage in yoga.
they lose all their muscle mass after transition. Estrogen does that
Women have muscle mass, WTF?
Yeah, estrogen does make you lose considerable muscle mass. That really, really shouldn’t be surprising. I used to be able to do overhead shoulder presses at around 40 kg without deliberately maintaining muscle mass. After 10 years of estrogen and antiandrogens, I can’t do 18 kg and that is with active training including a much more careful protein-based diet.
All your example suggests is that the 6’3" trans woman can do is… Something a 6’3" woman can do. Cisgender people aren’t discriminated against because of their natural height, their frame or their reach either, but applying that to a trans woman for something as non-competitive as yoga is all kinds of weird.
While frame doesn’t change much, it becomes much, much harder to use that frame, which becomes a considerable disadvantage. Muscle mass of trans women is less than cis women, our T levels (if properly suppressed) are drastically lower than that of cis women.
Or, to be as pithy as your final comment. Bones and the muscoskeletal system have mass, WTF?
Yoga isn’t competitive, but is physical exercise, that was why the example. Sport in general could be less competitive, and more fun.
There are already lots of categories in competitive sports. Nobody at my kids school was hostile towards the trans kids, that hostility is coming from the state and a few parents and the schools, as far as we can tell, are doing their best to insulate the kids from it.