“suggesting that NATO expansion was one of the causes of the war”
“We gave Putin just cause,”
Those are definitely Russian propaganda talking points.
This is how they get us. Infiltrate the groups that we already agree with, like pro-Palestine, anti-Israel, then flood those communities with “…and also we should all hate NATO!”, and people like this guy can’t tell the difference.
The EMN project promotes a group of U.S. military veterans as experts and pundits willing to talk about the war in Ukraine. Some of them have been echoing Kremlin propaganda lines by claiming that U.S. military support for Ukraine is extending and intensifying the fighting, and suggesting that NATO expansion was one of the causes of the war. “We gave Putin just cause,” the director of EMN, Dennis Fritz, told The Daily Beast in an interview.
This is not “anti-war” this is a “why are you hitting yourself” way of looking at things. Ukraine is a sovereign country that can make its own decisions. Supporting their fight against the invasion is not warmongering, it’s the opposite. After all, it is just the latest in Putin’s long list of wars, and if it does not stop at Ukraine, he will start more wars.
On .world, any point of view that contradicts mainstream American talking points is immediately a tankie point of view. It’s to the point of self-parody by now, but these morons actually think they’re defenders of democracy and justice or some shit.
While that can definitely be true, it’s not the case in this instance, they actually did say Russia was justified and that Ukraine joining NATO provoked the war.
Emphasis on some. They are also unfortunately pro-Russia tankies.
I’m interested in seeing your proof of that.
Bunch of links here - https://www.reddit.com/r/vermont/comments/11wlmkn/fyi_ben_cohen_ben_and_jerrys_is_donating_a/
Basically Ukraine should just “negotiate and end to the war” instead of fight for survival in their opinion.
Being anti war is not being anti Ukraine or pro Russia for that matter.
Those are definitely Russian propaganda talking points.
This is how they get us. Infiltrate the groups that we already agree with, like pro-Palestine, anti-Israel, then flood those communities with “…and also we should all hate NATO!”, and people like this guy can’t tell the difference.
This is not “anti-war” this is a “why are you hitting yourself” way of looking at things. Ukraine is a sovereign country that can make its own decisions. Supporting their fight against the invasion is not warmongering, it’s the opposite. After all, it is just the latest in Putin’s long list of wars, and if it does not stop at Ukraine, he will start more wars.
On .world, any point of view that contradicts mainstream American talking points is immediately a tankie point of view. It’s to the point of self-parody by now, but these morons actually think they’re defenders of democracy and justice or some shit.
While that can definitely be true, it’s not the case in this instance, they actually did say Russia was justified and that Ukraine joining NATO provoked the war.
Almost all wars end in negotiations. It’s not on us to decide which terms are acceptable to Ukrainians.
Pretty sure Ben doesn’t have ownership or control over Ben and Jerry’s anymore, so I wouldn’t put his baggage on them.
The links …
The People Power Initiative - a Gmail account and physical address is the only info there. No menu or other links.
Eisenhower Media Network is a mess, bouncing from calls for peace to just short of supporting Russia.
Based