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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking
My point was that it was a “hadith” quote, as opposed to being from the Quran. Muslims frequently ignore hadith or give them such a wide interpretation as to give them negligible relevance. To simply infer the active beliefs of real Muslim people, or any religious group, from literal interpretations of cherry picked passages of secondary religious texts is ignorant nonsense. (Especially in 2025 when can just ask them directly over a round of Fortnite.)
Even when considering the antichrist stories (which appear in the New Testament), core principles in the Quran state that “believing” Jews, Christians and Muslims (and maybe even unlabelled monotheists) will be rewarded by God (2:62), and warns Muslims against trying to judge or assume “belief” in others (49:12, 4:94). This message also appears throughout the teachings of Jesus (e.g. Matthew 7:1-5), who Muslims consider to be a prophet of God.
Even if we carefully and collectively decide to determine a group as “bad”. We can, and arguably should, do that without recourse to religious prophecy. For example, if we collectively decide (e.g. UN, ICJ, ICC) that the group is carrying out an ethnic cleansing or genocide, based on real world evidence, interpreting a hadith prophecy to support that doesn’t add weight in any objective sense.
Your argument seems to be that the Hadith is totally irrelevant. Hamas and the person you’re replying to seem to think otherwise. Maybe it isn’t irrelevant just because it isn’t in the Quran and has a passage about shouty trees in it? Religions are hardly consistent, especially at the fringes.
The hadith is secondary commentary. It is supposed to be considered (in its historic and underlying Quranic context), rather than followed. As a third party, what can we conclude from reading it in isolation without any real world evidence or reference to the actual Muslim people giving it that consideration? Nothing beyond speculation.
Hamas isn’t real Muslims?
I was speaking generally. Are you talking specifically about Hamas? I think they’re probably upset about a lot more than end of days hadith. What makes you think they have a specific focus on that? Genuine question.
In my experience, I’ve not seen any of the Abrahamic faiths ever focus on end of days in any material literal sense. I’m not that familiar with the typical US Evangelical or Israeli perspective, which is probably relevant. Evidently, they can sometimes interpret “Promised Land” in the literal sense, rather than a metaphor for a state of enlightenment or inner peace or anything like that. So, you might be right.
I’m speaking in the context of this thread, specifically about the situation with Israel, Palestine and the surrounding countries. This Hadith is being used by the more extreme preachers to justify teaching their followers that Jewish people are evil, without necessarily focusing on the end times themselves. It’s just “proof” for their teachings. I am aware that this isn’t a thing for all Muslims everywhere, the Wikipedia articles I linked to also point that out.
In June 2025 are you seriously trying to say that Hamas is motivated by end of days hadith? Palestinians are a marginalised ethnic group, to put it mildly. They don’t need religion for motivation.
I am not saying that, no. But I’m also done with restating what I’m saying over and over only to be hit with another weird interpretation. I’m sorry if you weren’t doing that intentionally but it’s been nothing but frustrating.