Summary
Vivian Jenna Wilson, Elon Musk’s daughter, accused her father of giving a “definitely Nazi salute” at two rallies in January, calling his actions “fucking cringe.”
In an interview with Teen Vogue, she criticized Musk’s involvement in the Trump administration and advocated for trans rights, emphasizing the importance of gender-affirming care for minors.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
She also expressed fear over anti-trans legislation under Trump’s administration.
His arm says “Nazi”, but his actions? His actions say “Super Nazi”.
who the fuck still thinks it wasn’t …
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Person who has no expertise on a subject agrees with experts on the subject, more news at 6!
Are you suggesting that a kid doesn’t have any insight into their parent’s behavior and that “experts” do?
No, I’m saying she’s not an historian specialized in Nazi Germany.
You don’t need to be to see it was not one but two nazi salutes
You don’t, but her opinion is useless when all experts already agree that’s what it was.
It’s like asking actors their political opinion. Who gives a fuck what they think? They’re actors, not political analysts.
And yet, here you are with your opinion that no one asked for. Are you seeing how this works yet?
So you’re saying my opinion is just as important as hers, she gets to share hers, I get to share mine, will The Guardian write an article about my opinion now? Are you seeing how this works yet?
No, I’m saying she is relevant to the story. You aren’t. Yet here you are trying to erase her from it, while adding yourself to it- via the comments.
Yell all you want. She’s still going to have her say in legitimate news articles, while you’re relegated to ranting about it in forums located in the far reaches of the internet.
It’s mindblowing how anyone still genuinely thinks what he did was anything but.
My coworker is convinced it was just ‘my heart to you!’ and to him is why he no longer trusts the news. It’s crazy to watch educated people get sucked into the alt right misinformation hole.
Show them this and ask again. It’s probably not going to change their answer, but there will be a moment of confusion that passes behind their eyes as they try to reconcile reality with their beliefs.
“iT wAs A rOmAn sALuTe” oh you mean the “salute” that appears in exactly one painting from the 1700s, long after the Roman empire had fallen?
There are videos of people being asked to recreate it, and while most refuse to do it (because of the implication), some add their own flourish to make it look like something else. That should tell you everything you need to know.
And was the direct inspiration for the Nazi salute.
Indirect inspiration. Hitler got it from Mussolini, who got it from Gabriele d’Annunzio, who got it from a Broadway production of Ben-Hur, which got it from the US Pledge of Allegiance, which got it from the painting.
Interesting. Do you have a source on that? I’d like to research this more.
Well thats one member of the Musk family I can understand and who seems like a decent human being.
Hope she manages to get away from that cringe fucker as soon as possible.
Wow it’s literally 1984! Can I get your autograph?
Are you proud to see your predictions on where humanity will go come to reality?
In the past two months, while some of y’all motherfuckers have been busy arguing over whether it was a Nazi salute or not, this guy and his orange fucko have been dismantling the Constitution in real time. But sure—carry on. This debate is clearly way more important.
Goddamnit.
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Everyone existing on US soil is supposed to have the same rights no matter what. Not only natural born citizens.
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The idea is that it’s an inclusive document. I think the two parts that directly say they are rights for citizens clearly imply that the rest of it is for everyone. It’s a shame we have to rely on this ancient document, which is in some places poorly written.
Good luck getting 3/4 of states to agree that water is wet though, so rewriting, rewording, or amending the Constitution is off the table. That leaves us stuck with interpretations from the courts, which I hope we can at least agree are largely corrupt.
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Anti trans?
Trump. My man. You brought yourself back a bit, well done.
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Watching the original video it absolutely looks like it even alone without Hitler right beside it. It did the first time and it has every time ever since that. I watched it live and immediately said, “what the fuck”
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I don’t go through life expecting people to do Nazi salutes. Even wannabe fascists.
No person in their right mind would make such a gesture, especially not speaking in front of millions. It was not a 100% clear Hitlergruß. To me it seems pretty obvious that it was an intentional move to further divide the US population into people claiming he did a Nazi salute and those brushing it off as a random gesture, ridiculing the other side. Ragebaiting by doing a 99% nazi salute is not much better than doing an actual one.
How come its mostly people who behave exactly like nazis who ‘accidentally’ make very similar gestures to nazi salutes? I wonder…
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Then he would have disavowed it and apologized for it immediately. You don’t accidentally Heil Hitler and then just pretend it didn’t happen.
He did it again, just a second later.
Also, a ‘gesture of thanks’ usually doesnt involve tensing up your whole body and stretching your right arm with the palm facing downwards. This is as unnatural of a gesture as it gets.
He bent his whole body to give a salute. It was quite off-center and awkward, not really like the nazi salute as seen on historical videos of Hitler, which is a much more deliberate and aligned hand motion in relation to the body. If Elon time traveled to Hitler rallies and did this salute, he’d be reprimanded for doing it all wrong.
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Nobody “gives their heart out” like this unless they’re a Nazi giving it up for Hitler.
People will see what they want to see. Even if Elon discovered the cure to all types of cancer, people would still nitpick anything about him to justify their hate.
Nah, elons actions and behaviors are justification plenty.
Is it really nit picking when he, a nazi is dismantling the us government?
You’ve either drank the Kool aid too or you’re not paying attention if you think that’s the only reason people think he’s a Nazi
You may not be aware, but Nazis (both traditional and the neo variant) love dog whistles.
Obscure and hidden symbolism is core to their ideologies.
Nazis (and most hate groups in general) love doing things that are just innocent enough, but with a wink or a nudge, demonstrate clear intention.
It’s quite easy to not do a nazi salute and when public speaking, politicians (and people who practice their public speaking skills in general) have traditionally been coached on what features may be construed as, just look at the traditional ‘non-threatening’ two finger point.
Finally, I don’t think it really matters what it technically was or wasn’t, what matters is perception and reception.
Edit: I want to add some concrete examples of nazi dog whistling and symbolism.
Historically the numbers 88 have been used by neo Nazis to represent HH (8th letter of the alphabet) as a disguised way to say ‘heil Hitler’
The numbers on their own don’t mean anything, but given additional context, behaviors, or related ideals, then an additional meaning can be found.
This is often used as an intentional way to inform sympathizers to your position that you are on their side (for example a group at a political gathering) without overtly communicating your position to those opposed.
Another example is skinheads (not sharps) wearing and lacing their boots in a certain way with specific color laces.
Hitler himself was immensely into the occult and found hidden symbolism to be very powerful, it’s part of why he repurposed so much religious iconography.
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Does it really matter if he’s deliberately advancing a fascist agenda?
Yeah, because if he’s indeed a nazi, he’s pretty incompetent at converting people into nazism. Some politicians such as Elizabeth Warren and Kamala Harris have done a hand gesture that resembles the nazi salute in their political rallies, but nobody at the time screamed they were dog whistling nazi symbology. Raising one’s hand to salute the audience is just a natural gesture, not some intricate gesture that’s exclusive to a bonafide nazi apologist.
Lol, no they haven’t, and if you have a hard time seeing a chest pounding and sharp arm raising as a Nazi salute but buy a frozen frame of a wave as potentially equivalent you’re deep into the conservative media ecosystem looking for a reason to excuse him.
It’s not a hand wave, it’s a frame-perfect Nazi salute with the beginning middle and end. There’s nothing he could have done to make it more accurate a Nazi salute other than speaking German at the time.
What I see is Elon haters clinging to this salute as if it’s the one silver bullet that will somehow make him lose Trump’s or the Republicans’ support. But their insistence on this is like preaching to the choir, as right-wingers simply don’t care—some even like Elon more for being gutsy.
If that’s all they’ve got on Elon, then he’s sure to keep his job at DOGE. And Trump is laughing all the way to the bank, as the anti-Elon sentiment shields him from criticism, as social media’s attention is mostly spent on Elon instead of Trump.
Nazi symbolism is “gutsy”. God Elon-stans are such fucking losers.
It’s very easy to find an image of a politician, or anyone really in the public eye, doing what appears to be a Nazi salute. Pretty much any gesture that starts with the hand below shoulder level to above head level may well briefly transition between those two that could result in an image that appears to be a Nazi salute from one angle or another. It’s much harder to find video that closely mimics actual videos of Adolf Hitler doing a Nazii salute, even harder to see it happen twice just moments apart.
The way you avoid saying “daughter” and “her” makes it clear that you don’t understand her or her opinion.
Also, it was a Nazi salute. The first time I saw it, I was watching the actual video and not a GIF. He wants deniability so people who don’t like Nazis will be gaslit and people that do like Nazis will praise him.
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The title says daughter. How else would you have known she’s “his child”? You are still going out of your way to say “them” now. Elon has many children, but this article is specifically about his daughter’s statements, not his other children.
If you aren’t going to bother to be specific or accurate, why post at all? Are you posting your disingenuous comments in an attempt to unconditionally defend Musk, or are you just a troll? I’m just asking questions.
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It’s incredibly bizarre that there are people in the world defending this shit.
It’s even more incredibly bizarre that anyone could actually look at that video and see anything other than a fucking nazi salute.
People like you are why this world is turning to absolute shit. Just another cog in the wheel.
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He did it twice. With gusto. You’re clearly struggling to reconcile that your idol is a Nazi and you’ve been wrong to worship him, or you’re also a Nazi.
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oh yes the “everyone that disagrees with me thinks im a nazi” comment, get over yourself, you know you are one. Also another saying if everyone is A B" around you, you most likely are. hence you are probably here because reddit banned you for the same reason you will be on most forums.
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