Okay, maybe that was propaganda, but this time Xi really is a Communist dictator and China is an authoritarianism! Trust me, bro.
https://archive.org/details/cia-rdp-80-00810-a-006000360009-0_202404/page/n1/mode/2up – it’s a more ambivalent document than the quote suggests
It’s 1950s CIA of course it’s inconsistent.
“merely the captain of the team”.
LOL. Ever see the team photos?
The fact that the CPSU was under constant danger of infiltration and espionage, and thus needed to be purged, does not contradict Stalin’s reported style of leadership as recognized by the CIA in an internal document shared in the meme above. The USSR, throughout its early period (founding until end of World War II), was under constant siege, invasions by capitalist powers, civil war, and active infiltrarion by fascists. These drastic conditions required resolute actions, ones broadly supported both by the party as well as by the general population. We are cutting out the Cold War and Red Scare for the purpose of this conversation, but it wasn’t that the siege lessened, it just changed character.
Stalin’s style of leadership in meetings was generally recognized as being quiet, allowing other members of the Politburo to speak up first, contemplating, then coming to a firm motion to push for and vote on. This was an effective method of leadership, and is what the CIA is principly describing here as being a “captain of the team.” Additionally, Stalin tried to resign no fewer than 4 times, all of which were rejected. Had he abandoned his post against the wishes of the Politburo, there would possibly be political crisis.
I recommend you read Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend. Losurdo challenges the liberal over-demonization of Stalin while shedding accurate light on Stalin’s real and genuine shortcomings and mistakes. It’s perhaps the best attempt by a modern writer to utilize all of the information we actually have available to sweep away the mountain of Red Scare propaganda to recognize the real Stalin, both good and bad.
181·4 days agoAnna Louise Strong on Stalin (re your second paragraph)
Great excerpt! Definitely helps to show his method in action.
I didn’t even realise it was an excerpt.
Essay? Article? Don’t know what the word for it is, excerpt is wrong though now that I think about it.
No, the source lists it as being pp 46-64 from The Soviets Expected It
Oh, I was accidentally right then, haha. Does that make me double wrong? 😅
The “i voted” is just 😚👌
Fun fact: these photos were actually doctored by the cia to make him look more like a dictator.
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Comes to .ml, removed about the .ml accounts.
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It’s okay to shit on Stalin on a Marxist-Leninist board, the synthesizer of Marxism-Leninism? MLs don’t uphold Stalin as a god, but we also don’t engage in historical nihilism, cedeing the historical narrative to the bourgeoisie and liberal historian perspectives. Stalin was no saint, but was far more effective and moral than contemporary leaders like Churchill and Hitler.
It’s OK to shit on anyone when what they are saying is counter to, you know, REALITY.
Yes, Stalin was having photographs heavily redacted.
No, it wasn’t “the CIA”.
I didn’t say the USSR didn’t doctor photographs to remove purged members. In my reply to your upper level comment, I explained why the purges were necessary and elaborated on their context. Nothing I said in that comment is counter to reality, I even brought sources.
Shouldn’t you be banning yourself for “internet slap fighting” right about now?
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hurr dee durr .ml account
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Fun fact: the subject of that report is “comments on the change of Soviet leadership” and the header says “This is UNEVALUATED information”.
This is some Garbage
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Yes, the real smart people know that Stalin was evil like Darth Vader right?
Please read a book before you post. No investigation, no right to speak.
Nah dude worse than Vader, because Vader found redemption in making up with his son after being a space Nazi.
You’ll find he’s exactly like Voldemort
What books you reading? I wanna follow along with the Americans
I thought the book was ok Losurdo definitely had his rose tinted glasses on when he wrote it, but that’s just my weird anarchist opinion.
If you want to learn about Stalin, I would start by reading Stephen Kotkin’s two books which cover his life up to WWII in detail. Kotkin is a liberal, so he is no fan of Stalin, but he does very thorough research.
Stalin: Passage to Revolution by Ronald Grigor Suny gives a more sympathetic account of Stalin’s early life, his extreme suffering caused by the Czarist regime, and his dedication to making the world a better place. This book goes in depth into the Menshevik-Bolshevik split, and why Stalin chose to side with Lenin and internationalist socialism instead of the more nationalist Georgian Mensheviks.
Domenico Losurdo’s Stalin: History and Critique of a Black Legend does not go in-depth in biographical details, but it is definitely the best “defense” of Stalin’s various actions. The main rhetorical technique is comparing Stalin to other leaders at the time - Hitler, FDR, Churchill, etc… To the point: Stalin never attacked a city with a nuclear bomb (like the USA), Stalin never caused famine and starvation for profit (like Britain), and Stalin never tried to exterminate an entire ethno-religious group (like Hitler). Nobody is saying Stalin was perfect, but compared to other world leaders he was a much more moral leader than them, and ultimately did much more good for the world overall, such as almost single-handedly defeating Nazi Germany.
Did you read those before or after you voted for a rapist?
Voting solves nothing. If the Republicans are pro-genocide and pro-environmental collapse and the Democrats are also pro-genocide and pro-environmental collapse, voting is not the solution to our problem. You might as well criticize me for which type of shoes I wear, it has the same influence on Politics, which is zero.
You’re the stupid fuck:
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP80-00810A006000360009-0.pdf
mmm american government slop
Unlike public CIA statements, classified CIA documents are seldom slop. This wasn’t declassified until 2008, 55 years after it was written.
Yo, I agree, but the meme cited them as a way of showing the two-faced character of CIA propaganda.
yeah you wanna elaborate there buddy, so we can see who the real brain genius is
Uh gommunism Karl Xiaoping 20 Brazilian dead authoritarianism
You are a true brain genius of the highest order, my friend. Please, tell is all your wisdom of the USSR and provide sources. Thank you so much.
Found one!
I’m sorry can’t hear you over the sound of Tupolev designing planes from a gulag
You mean after he passed classified information to the French and Germans, was part of a sabotage ring to intentionally slow down soviet production, and tried to purposefully make mistakes in his designs as a form of sabotage? So he was thrown in a gulag(Scary word for prison because no other country has those right?), and forced to continue working with strict oversight so as to make sure he did not try to sabotage the designs again?
I know the lemmy.world user will not see this, but atleast someone else who doesn’t know this context might.
Copying @ihave69xibucks@lemmygrad.ml’s comment
You mean after he passed classified information to the French and Germans, was part of a sabotage ring to intentionally slow down soviet production, and tried to purposefully make mistakes in his designs as a form of sabotage? So he was thrown in a gulag(Scary word for prison because no other country has those right?), and forced to continue working with strict oversight so as to make sure he did not try to sabotage the designs again?
I know the lemmy.world user will not see this, but atleast someone else who doesn’t know this context might.
