I know how Australia does things. You still need to prove your identity when you enrol to vote. If you don’t have any of the proof they require, you can have a mate that is enrolled vouch that you are you along with your name and address.

The difference is that Australia is capable of keeping track of their citizens and are willing to verify your eligibility for you.

Fair point. Something I did not consider.

Though as far as I can recall, Democrats have done little to actually make voting more accessible. From what I can see, neither party seems interested. A simple step such as holding elections on a weekend or non-working day where the majority is free would go a long way. Not to play whatabout here. The idea of having to prove you’re a citizen to vote is reasonable. Your fear is they will make that proof unreasonably difficult to attain is understandable.

I just explained it.

Let me rephrase then. My opinion is that having to provide valid ID to vote in an election is reasonable.

My understanding is they are putting in the step that you need to prove citizenship when registering to vote. By Birth Certificate, US Passport, or naturalization documentation.

Most people should have their birth certificate. And if they don’t, you can request it from your government, I’ve seen that costs 50 dollars, it should be free. I’m sorry it’s not.

When you file to change your name, now you also have to file to change your birth certificate, that should be done automatically, I’m sorry it’s not.

I don’t think the idea, of making sure your voters are citizens and who they say they are, is unreasonable. I’m a bit surprised it already wasn’t the case. But yes, I agree that the whole procedure of registering to vote is sub-optimal.

I also think it kind of pales in comparison when you think about how the entire system after votes are cast works. If you’re a republican in California or a Democrat in Texas, you might as just not vote. After the opposite party “win the state” your vote no longer matters. That shouldn’t be the case. Each and every vote should have equal worth.

Yes… the electoral college is a much bigger issue. Senators each represent vastly different amount of people, yet their voting power are equal.

Two senators from California, representing 39 million people. Have no more say than two senators from Idaho representing 2 million people.

So 39 million people get 2 votes in the senate. And 2 million people also get 2 votes in the senate.

Democrats have had total power under Biden for 2 years. Did they make it any easier to vote? So you can say that only Republicans want “voter ID laws” but neither party gives a fuck about creating a functional system.

If they cared at all. They’d make sure every citizen is automatically registered. And there wouldn’t even be a need for what they’re pushing now.

If you got money to change your name. You SHOULD have money to change your birth certificate. It seems like common sense to have your documentation in order. Kind of like, if you got money to buy a car, you should have money to buy fuel. At least I think that sounds like a good idea.

It sounds incredibly stupid that it’s not automatically amended, what do you want to say? It should be, I’m sorry it’s not, but at the end of the day. It’s your responsibility to make sure your documentation is in order.

Cool, never seen someone be vouch for, but as stated, that person vouching for you needs ID.

I understand that it’s difficult for someone that is homeless to vote. The way we “solved” that here, is by doing everything we can to ensure that homeless people can be taken care of and have some kind of home, e.g. A room. And if all else fails, you can at least register with the government and they will make sure you have a place to receive mail. Meaning you will still get your voting card. You still need an ID, or have someone vouch for you, which could be difficult for a homeless person. But let’s be real. Voting is going to be the least of their problems.

I agree. All citizens of legal age deserve to vote.

Yes, I’m aware of the administrative process of changing ones name in the US. I’ve been intimately present during one.

That is one of the reasons I don’t think it’s that much of an issue. If you have money to make the filings to changing your name. You have the money to do one more additional request of amending your birth certificate.

It’s a shame that it isn’t done automatically. But really, in the whole process of things, it’s not that much more work. It’s just one more form to fill out.

The entire concept of having to manually register to vote is inequitable access to voting. Every citizen should be registered, automatically.

To me, it sounds like you’re fighting about if voting should be “Super difficult” or “Incredibly difficult” to which all I can say is. Maybe it shouldn’t be difficult, at all…

Voting is a right, is that true for those convicted of felonies as well? Because if not, then it sounds an awful lot like a privilege to me. So either you have a large population of people whose rights are being infringed upon, or it’s not a right. Pick one. You cannot have it both ways.

And listen to yourself for a second. Women and transgender, who changed their name. Seemingly have enough money to do so, but then not enough money to also change their birth certificate? Because changing your name isn’t free either.

I agree that it’s incredibly stupid your birth certificate for one, isn’t digitally available to the voting registration process, and secondly, isn’t automatically amended when you filed for name change. But that’s another topic.

“White men will never have a problem, miraculously”

Damn, all those white homeless men I saw in the US must have had a lot of make-up on I guess.

You don’t have to put words in my mouth. If you want to know what I think, this is it. I think every citizen of legal age of a nation should be allowed to vote in their elections. I think their process should be easy and available.

I understand you think this is the dumbest act ever. That’s fine.

I don’t think it’s that big of a deal that you need to prove you are who you say you are. I think that’s the norm across the world, and I think there are a lot of things you need to address regarding your elections that isn’t about proving that voters are who they say they are.

If you want to paraphrase me, at least do it correctly, “Well, we do this in MOST countries, so it’s normal” And yes, that is the definition of normal. It’s normal because it’s the norm. You guys are the exception. Not the other way around.

You said ID isn’t required in “a lot of countries”, and then you provide a graph (without a verifiable source) where the number of countries you don’t need ID to vote in, can be counted on a single hand.

I’ve spent quite some time in the US. I’m well aware of their bureaucracy. Maybe I just have a different opinion than others. I understand it causes some issues for some, but you can get a copy, or amend your US birth certificate for $50 using their own Government website. It’s really not that difficult.

The fact you need to prove citizenship to register to vote is the least of their election problems.

Wow… 4 countries + various US states doesn’t require ID. Yeah, that’s truly “A lot” of countries, dude.

Ok… That doesn’t seem that difficult, costs $50 to update a birth certificate. It says processing time is 4 to 8 weeks, and you have 4 years until it needs to be done.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/replace-certify-docs/requesting-a-record/replace-amend-CRBA.html

Could you name these “a lot of countries”? Since it’s a lot of them, shouldn’t be too difficult to mention 20 right?

They say it’s to prove citizenship, a passport is proof of citizenship isn’t it? So that is enough no?

I doubt it’s legally required to have an ID here. But you are right in that it’s quite simple. A passport is roughly $45, you book a time to show up at the nearest police station to re-new it. And then you get a letter saying you can come pick it up 2-3 weeks later.

I don’t see a problem with having people provide ID to vote. That’s how you make sure they are who they say they are.

I don’t have the data. But im willing to bet that providing ID to vote is the norm around the world. I know for fact it is in EU at least.

I’m Swedish. Don’t know if someone can vouch for me. Never tried. Pretty sure I need an ID.

Everyone (18+) get a voting card in their mail sent to their adress. You bring the voting card and ID, like passport or drivers license. Someone ticks your name off a list and you can vote. (No registrering to vote or anything)

ID isn’t free, but a passport costs like $40-50.

You can also get a national ID card. But that’s even more expensive and I still don’t quite understand why you would want one rather than just getting a passport.

I don’t quite follow the last part. “She will have to choose and change one of them at her expense”

Obviously you need to update your license if you change your name.

So she can update her BC to match her new name? Or is that impossible, thus making her unable to vote because of it.

Providing ID to vote is quite normal in most countries. Getting an ID also costs money in most countries. That’s not unique to the US.

You can currently vote in the US without ID?

I don’t understand what the controversy is, providing ID along with your voting card seems normal to me.

What am I missing? I scimmed the article.

It says each member will assist the attacked party/parties, as it deems necessary.

My interpretation of the article is that assistance is mandatory. What type of assistance is up to the member to decide

https://www.nato.int/cps/fr/natohq/topics_110496.htm?selectedLocale=en