Last one then I got to go.

You try to excuse the wealth hoarding of China’s parasite class in part by taking about the rising standard of living of the poor.

That is no different than right-wingers saying wealth inequality isn’t a problem because poor people have a higher standard of living than decades ago. There was a famous example not too long ago (I guess not too famous because I forgot the details) where some republican in the U.S. minimized the struggles of the poor because they all had refrigerators now. What you do to minimize the struggles of the poor in China is no different.

Listen, this is not my choice. You decided to use my comment to vomit out your copypasta, which seems to be your entire life. And then demand I sink to your level of idiocy so you can beat me with experience. You could have just not done that. But now I will exercise my choice to go do something better. Maybe someone, someday can teach you the real meaning of socialism, but it won’t be me and it won’t be today, and it won’t be until you get some help.

I already said, I love China, it’s great and getting better. It could get even better if it actually worked toward socialism instead of falling into the trap the people that used to exploit it did, trying to exploit other poorer countries.

You haven’t done anything but list twisted versions of right-wing taking points. “Billionaires aren’t a problem because poor people have refrigerators.”

There is no defense for China’s system, at least not from a communist.

No. Again, I know this hard for your kind to understand, but you don’t to get to dictate how things go.

What points have you made? All you’ve done is fail to make any excuses for the staggering and growing wealth inequality in China and fail to drag me into an unproductive argument about definitions.

If I were an anti-communist (an actual anti-communist, not anti-whatever China calls communist)I would love it when people like you try to tie China to communism.

Win-win, where have I heard that before? Oh yes! It’s when imperial powers talk about the relationships with weaker “allies” that result in things like sweatshops. China will soon be getting their “fast-fashion” from African sweatshops raising their standard of living further and enriching the parasite class beyond their wildest dreams. China can teach them how to install anti-suicide nets in their factory dorms in return. A completely equal exchange.

No. I know this is hard for people like you to understand, but you don’t control this conversation. If I don’t want to discuss your definitions, which range from strategically incomplete to just plain wrong, you can not force it.

And it’s not an attack. If you are genuinely delusional I have nothing but sympathy for you and honestly hope that you live somewhere with access to resources that can help you. If you don’t have an agenda furthered by posting half-truths and lies and you honestly believe all this, you should talk to someone that can help you. I suspect I’m not the first person to tell you this.

None of your circle jerk “theory” will change the fact that hundreds of millions of Chinese live in poverty to fuel the grotesquely lavish lifestyles of a few, and that those few are turning their exploitative efforts outward to accumulate even more wealth, while letting a little “trickle-down” to keep the plebs calm.

I’m more knowledgeable about this that you could ever hope to be (do you see how statements like that aren’t even remotely convincing?). I’m well aware of the cherry picked information you use to support your delusion.

Yeah, because I don’t want to. I’m not going to get involved in a discussion of definitions of words with someone that lives in a bubble with their own alternate definitions created to support their circular reasoning.

Their poverty is vanishing because they’re exporting it by exploiting others. If you look at China and honestly see “socialism,” or even “working toward socialism,” you’re either painfully ignorant or mentally ill.

Lol, Jesus dude! Are you just plagiarizing U.S. state department talking points from the mid 20th century on U.S. involvement in Southeast Asia and other places in the global south?

Dude, neoliberalism is a huge range, not just those douches. Just because they’re not (currently) as bad as Regan/Thatcher doesn’t mean they’re not neolibs. I’m sure you’ve got tons of copypastas ready to go, but none of them change the fact that China is a great place to be rich and get richer but if you’re poor, the best you can hope for is that your grandchildren have a better life built on the backs of exploited Africans and others in the global south.

The measure they’re taking to address it is creating vassal states to turn into sweatshops.

No, what I, and everyone what that has actually been to factories and rural areas of China, has seen is what’s actually happening on the ground. You’re nothing more than a neolib apologist with an Eastern fetish.

They’re turning an entire continent into a sweatshop to feed their own greed and consumerism. They learned from the best! And they’re improving on it through the strength of single party central planning.

You can copy paste all the charts and quotes you want. None of that means anything next to the reality on the ground.

China is great, it’s one of my favorite places to visit. But that’s because I have the money to enjoy it. As soon as you travel a little way away from the glitz of the major cities, leave behind the Michelin starred restaurants, five star hotels, and bullet trains, the poverty is crushing. More so than many other neolib places where you can go to a more rural area to chill. But that’s mostly due to time. Give China a little more time and they’ll continue to make their welfare state more robust through progressive taxation (as is the hallmark of neoliberalism), and it seems like they’ll cleave close to the social democracy side of things, at least for now.

Anyone who looks at the crushing poverty a large percentage of Chinese live in and the rate they are minting new billionaires and then tries to say their system is in the same universe as socialism is delusional at best and cynically promoting lies to advance an agenda at worst.

Give them a few years. The belt and road initiative is set to bring levels of exploitation and wealth extraction never before seen. China gets shit done when it wants to and understands the long game.

China is a neolib paradise, regardless of the name of the single party in control. The belt and road is nothing more than a means to extract wealth from and exploit the global south.