I wasn’t talking to you here. You’re dismissed.

Yes, there is censorship. But the information is there if you search for it. The fact that you’re typing the words “genocide in Palestine” and I am reading those words pretty clearly demonstrates that the level of censorship in the west is no where near the level of censorship in China. If the CCPs position is “Israel has a right to defend itself” you would never even know there’s a conflict in Gaza.

The guy’s a braindead pedant. He’s not here to have a discussion, he’s here to feel superior.

And you searched this inside China did you? What are you not getting? Even Chinese search engines inside China show different information then Chinese search engines outside china. It’s a walled garden. You are out of your depth here. Go to bed.

Angry? Me thinks he projects too much. I lived there. I base my opinion on first hand experience. So the fact that you haven’t means your basing your experience on something that somebody else WANTS you to think. You’re an actual sheep.

So no. So it’s impossible for you to really make an accurate comparison. So your opinion here is literally worthless.

Not all internet outside of China is Western. I’ll give you an example. My wife was a cross cultural communications teacher in China. She had her students pick countries outside of Asia to do a cultural report on. One student picked Poland for whatever reason. The Chinese internet, other than here is Poland on a map, it has this many people, and it’s capital is Warsaw, had no other information, Literally nothing else.

So when you ask why they would need access it’s because they deserve to be informed about the world around them. There is waayyyyyyy more to the internet than “fascist propaganda”.

They also can’t access the absolutely braindead remarks you’re saying right now. Isn’t that a travesty?

Stop with the pedantic BS. MOST do not use VPNs to get around censorship because MOST do not have a VPN. So again, why do the Chinese need a VPN to access the wider internet?

And there’s more to the internet to social media.

So you’ve never lived there?

Yes, and if you’re getting a 100% Rosey picture of China and the CCP guess what? It’s just different propaganda. There’s good and bad things about China. For me bad things outweighed the good.

Yes. But like I said, I lived there for years. True, the western media gets a lot of things wrong. But china is heavily censored, there’s no way around that reality.

Buddy, I lived there for years. My sources are the hundreds of Chinese people I spoke to in their native tongue for years. Not the propaganda from my country. True, SOME Chinese people have VPNs. Most do not.

And I think the more poignant question is this. Why do they need a VPN to access the wider internet in the first place?

When they find out the extent of the censorship they mind very much. But that’s the problem, the censorship is so deep and so good that the vast majority of the Chinese never find out how extensive it is, because it’s not just your WeChat, it’s ALL MEDIA. The Chinese don’t have access to over 90% of the internet, so they never find out what’s out there or know what information they’re missing.

And you’re just trading one dystopian nightmare for another. Saying one is better than the other is like saying having a foot cut off is better than losing a kidney. There is nuance, they’re both bad.

Those apps are blocked. Your apps have to be unencrypted to be distributed in China. If you can get a VPN that works you can use them.

I lived in china for 4 years and Winnie has Def never been outlawed. Chinese censorship is much more sophisticated than “hey, that’s illegal.” There’s not a list of pictures or memes or phrases that if you’re caught with you’ll get a visit from the police. No no no. There are hundreds of thousands of people monitoring social media for the latest “subversive” trends. When a new trend develops that content is blacklisted and just not allowed to be spread. You’ll send your friend a picture and it never shows up on their phone. There’s no indication on your end that it didn’t send or they didn’t get it. You can have this content on your phone, the CCP doesn’t care. They care about it spreading. And you’ll never get in trouble for trying to spread it because the system doesn’t allow it to spread.

Don’t look up screw worms.

Cities are net contributers to the federal budget. It’s people in the burbs getting the subsidies.