You can quote me on this. Not only will this not work. They won’t even actually implement anything to a degree that would even be able to make a difference.

Source: Democrats saying things and not following through for my entire lifetime.

Is the meme 12 now? We’ve moved past 11 now? I was not told.

Our great grandparents armed themselves and took over the factory floors. We need some of that energy.

Not sure I would say it’s incompetent. There is a reason that ICE is offering signing bonuses for new hires while every major company is laying off it’s workforce and spending all their money on stock buybacks.

This isn’t stupidity. This is absolutely on purpose. They are building their Nazi military and using the threat of homelessness to get as many people as they can to join it.

Can we stop saying “Israel claims” unless we follow it up with “which is a blatant fucking lie with no basis in reality”

I would say there are definitely some people that care as the industry becomes more and more exploited for its labor. But I have yet to meet a software developer that has connected their pro labor sentiment to real class solidarity.

Most complain about H1 people taking their jobs but blame the H1 people themselves and not the corporation that is exploiting their labor.

I try to explain to them that there is no labor movement in our industry that will be successful without H1 holders being on our side at the negotiating table.

It’s a really hard thing to get through to a lot of people.

It’s not a defense of religion. I don’t know why atheist Andy’s have a hard time understanding that THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE RELIGIOUS.

So, instantly alienating religion and religious groups is just giving away a huge part of the population away to fascist propaganda. Religion can be used as a tool of anti fascist for leftist propaganda too though.

If you don’t understand that then you clearly have never spoken with any leftist from the black communities of the South. Religion is a fundamental unifying part of any movement of solidarity there.

It’s amazing how even the cut off quote you used didn’t say that. It’s a tool that can be used mate. Can you read?

There are a lot of religious groups helping to protect people from ICE right now. Blindly saying to stop giving money to religious groups across the board is either malicious or naive. I assumed naive.

Why do you think the feds gave the ability for ICE to enter religious buildings that use to be protected?

Religion is a tool. It’s not good or bad in some fundamental way.

Religion is a tool used by Fascist. You don’t defeat Fascism by pretending one of its tools is the true problem. Religion can just as easily be a tool of anti fascist resistance movements. Removing that tool from leftist movements has been a vital flaw of many revolutions.

I am not religious. But saying we should abolish religion will just have the “Ms. Rachel” types of Christians with actual real moral compass (her stance on Gaza obviously being one) caught in crossfire.

There is no working class movement without embracing religion as a tool to form solidarity. Religion is not just all fundamentalist idiots.

I work at Microsoft and they just did massive layoffs all of this year. Last round I was layed off. 9000 of us in the last round.

I say this, because, I think people might associate tech jobs and education with being more liberal and pro immigrantion. This is not the case at all. The liberals are being offered fascism as a means to deal with their unemployment and will accept it with open arms as their material conditions decline. Most people I know from my job would absolutely join ICE for the paycheck as the tech sector lays off more and more people.

I’m sure we are seeing this in other industries as well. But just sharing for mine. ICE is going to look like an attractive job for a lot “middle class” Americans to be able to make rent. None of them are having class conflict conversations either. These people have next to no idea of what is going on.

We will not just get the hogs joining ICE. You’re gonna see a lot of liberals start to justify it as their livelihood starts to get connected to it too. This is how fascism works.

If you agree you’d probably love the season of the podcast “Blowback” on North Korea. You are right. I am just only scratching the surface.

I can’t recommend that podcast enough. Really great historical materialism wrapped in a very well produced podcast.

North Korea is not an aggressive country invading another country like Japan did. So, I really don’t see the comparison you’re trying to make. They are a victim of Japanese Imperialism followed by that being replaced with US imperialism after WW2. Primarily used to test the USSR after WW2. Something the US attempted to portray as a threat. Even though the USSR took the vast majority of casualties to defeat the Nazis and were in a mode of recovery similar to Europe at the time.

The restrictions on trade to Korea have failed in the same way they have failed with Cuba. Cuba is a better and more successful example of resistance to US imperialism. I would not say I am a fan of what NK and it’s isolation has become over time. But I would not pretend it is a result of anything less than a genocide performed on their population by US bombing campaigns. If you want to understand why NK is the way it is you need not look further than the genocide of its people followed by decades of trade restrictions and isolationist policies enforced by the west.

To pretend that any country’s people would not benefit from being able to participate freely in global trade is just wrong. Your talk of drug trade or otherwise is literally pointing to desperation of black markets because of their lack of ability to participate in other trade with most nations. You’re pointing to the effect and pretending it’s the cause.

If anything, the trade restrictions reinforce the isolationist policies and “lack of liberal ideas of freedom” that most people criticize North Korea for are entirely caused by the reinforcement of their isolation.

I am not an appologist for the rulers of North Korea. I would love to live in a world where I could critize their leadership apart from what I have explained above. But, I cannot, in good faith, pretend that North Korea is anything but the inevitable result of a post WW2 anti USSR western policy of the west. A policy that has outlived is usefulness.

North Korea was the “boogieman” that would get nukes and destroy the world. Well, they have nukes. They are not doing that. If anything, we have learned more in the last few decades that obtaining nukes is a means to ensure the US will not attempt regime change in your nation.

North Korea can and should be given the opportunity to trade freely with other nations and not be a victim of a fear mongering from a red scare era of US imperialism.

Well now it can be a SWERF and TERF paper.

A good deescalation would be an end to the trade restrictions the west imposes on North Korea. Cuba too while we are at it.

Would actually be a nice “fuck the US” thing for the rest of the west to do. Especially with these tarrifs. Cuba especially. Since it’s basically just been the US and Israel voting against ending the illegal trade embargo on Cuba for the last 40 something years.

Edit: Vote in the UN.

You could have expanded on what you meant and gave actual historical examples. I never said I wasn’t concerned with history. I said declaring “America was always fascist” is unhelpful to combating the rise in fascist policies today. Specific historical materialist analysis of American history and it’s different forms of fascism and class struggle would be helpful. But that’s not what you’re doing. Your talking to someone that agrees with you but are specifically avoiding talking about the subject of agreement in order to end every comment with an “iamsosmart” snarky one liner at the end.

Maybe you’re just a doomer that doesn’t want to actually learn. So you just point to a problem and then frustrate anyone that looks any further. Because that’s what I’m getting from this discussion.

Thanks mate.

You didn’t say anything!

I guess you’re just purposely ignoring the agreement I made with you to avoid my point. Seems like you don’t want a conversation but just to repeat your conclusion.

Fascism has an actual meaning. I think you’re confusing a bourgeois dictatorship for Fascism. Fascism is an ideology it isn’t an economic system or system of governance.

Saying something like “oh well technically we’ve always been fascist because the US was founded on genocide, slavery, etc” is not helpful in recognizing the change in ideology and the rise in fascist policies of our lifetimes.

We probably agree on a lot. But your comment was just snarky and unhelpful. Or maybe I just interpreted it poorly.