Adding to the 2nd panel: “It’s important to understand both sides and remain skeptical in the face of–” Shut the fuck up.
Libs have the superpower of selective skepticism, where they forego “critical thinking” in discussions of issues that benefit the interest of the West and somehow restore said “critical thinking” and talk big about “nuance” when it’s about e.g. slaughtering resisting brown people.
No evidence of genocide in China?
Yes, no evidence for genocide. As reported by UN, Worldbank and Organization of Islamic Cooperation. But I‘m open to changing my opinion if you can present some facts? I‘m more than happy to provide sources if you can‘t find mine by googling.
Yeah, but have you considered that China is genociding deserts and the fossil fuel industry!
I imagine anyone that would post that has already been taken to the mobile execution van by the mods? I’m next aren’t I, now?
A, no, I’m safe, by leaving up my superficially comment, they can pretend they don’t have a ban list as long as the great wall, very clever.
But next time of cpurse, it’s squick time.
No evidence only adri-zenz
No, neither “cultural” nor otherwise.
CIA propaganda has never been a synonym for “evidence”. At least for anyone having a few working brain cells.
There is evidence for human rights violations but not genocide.
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No, they are not trying to do anything of the sort.
working is a human rights violation for lazy westerners
It’s a bourgeois rights violation, while the proles get prison slave labor when they get out of line.
Peak lib brained statement. Does nobody have to die for it to be a murder?
Not that your assumption is any less false, there is zero evidence of genocide in Xinjiang, there is an open campaign against fundamentalist radicalization driven by US proxies which had resulted in some of the most deadly terror attacks in the world for more than a decade. The way such a campaign is conducted is via community outreach, job programs and (in cases where people have already been radicalized) reeducation.
These programs have been lauded by the Arab League as an example to be followed in the fight against terrorism. But if you have any evidence (actual evidence, not war-profiteer ASPI citing fascist evangelical Adrian Zenz and satellite pictures of nondescript buildings) I’d like to see it. Because if you don’t have evidence but are happy to tell others that it’s happening, you might want to examine your gullibility and whether it’s driven by sinophobia.
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Forced sterilisation says otherwise.
Where’s the evidence for that claim? There’s evidence of it happening in Israel and the US migrant concentration camps, but I haven’t seen any regarding China other than “trust me bro”
wdym, the proof is from this state approved article that I read which references another article which references another article which references another article which references a funny little book, which is really a collection of campfire stories, signed by weird guy with the initials “A.Z.”. Check and mate.
https://ig.ft.com/china-mosques/
It also matches up with every Youtube video of a person visiting Xinjiang and the mosques are all looking like this.
I’m disappointed that you are offering a low-quality source like the Financial Times for these serious accusations, and the shoddy reporting is apparent in the article itself:
In many areas, officials have told current and retired civil servants that their benefits will be taken away if they worship more than a few times per year, according to Hui human rights campaigner Ma Ju.
Which officals? Which current and retired civil servants? And why is the only source for this ‘a US-based campaigner for Chinese Muslim rights’? The lack of corroboration should be worrying. Relying on pseudonymous sources is usually not good reporting, either, as they have as many credentials as a common rumourer.
The conclusion is also confusing:
Two years later, these remarks were formalised into the government’s “Five-Year Plan on the Sinicisation of Islam”, which set out to standardise Chinese style in everything from Islamic attire to ceremonies and architecture, and called for the “establishment of an Islamic theology with Chinese characteristics”.
Hui Muslims like Mohammed still fear a possible future without Islam in China.
So, wait, Beijing wants to destroy Islam by… reforming it? I guess that that could be possible in some way, but the article does not explain how.
That being said, I don’t want to dismiss every claim in this article at face value, like restricting religion to adults (which, honestly, might be for the best), but if I believed that Beijing was trying to eradicate Islam then I would be dissatisfied with this article’s quality.
Although this does make me wonder if there are Chinese Muslims consenting to or even ordering these reformations. Perhaps @yogthos@lemmy.ml or @davel@lemmy.ml could inform me on this if they would be so gracious.
🤷 Not every YouTube video. Maybe every YouTube video that the algorithm shows you.
- Is Islam banned in China? | Visiting mosques in Xinjiang
- This is What I Found in Xinjiang China: I was warned Not to Come Here In this exclusive inside look at China’s most controversial region, we tour one China’s oldest mosques and interview the Imam on the truth about Xinjiang.
- How is Life of Muslims in China 🇨🇳 | First Impression of Urumqi, Xinjiang | Uyghur People
- Islam Banned in China!? I Visit Mosques and was shocked!
- Xinjiang residents debunk rumors of “forced demolition of mosques”
- Visiting a mosque in Xinjiang, understanding the truth about religious freedom in China
- Did China really destroy its Mosques?
- Visiting Kuqa Mosque - Xinjiang - China - 库车大寺
- Debunking rumors: Is centuries-old Uyghur mosque defaced in China’s Xinjiang?
For which there is no evidence. In fact the opposite happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action_in_China#Affirmative_action_policies
In accordance with China’s affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.
There are mountains of evidence. Most obviously the Chinese government tearing down all mosques minarets and making them look like Chinese temples.
I was responding to:
Forced sterilisation says otherwise.
Your mountain of Western Imperialism Times evidence isn’t even about forced sterilization or birthrates. It looks like they spent a lot of money on that extraordinarily slick webpage, though. They must really care a lot about the plight of Xinjiang Muslims. Usually they’re not especially sympathetic to Muslims, but for the poor Uyghurs—for no particular reason—their hearts bleed 🤔
Projection!
I can’t wait until i never have to see another comment from your shithole liberal instance
Synthesis: unlimited genocide on the first world
China builds infrastructure in xinjiang, its a genocide.
US and lackeys raze countries to the ground, its not a genocide.
The difference is the perpetrators of one of those are “white”
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Organ harvesting the falun gung people was kind of a dick move China. This is definetly the wrong answer to that version of the trolley problem.
CIA/NED-backed Li Hongzhi created and runs Falun Gong, a far-right extremist religious cult. It claims all manner of nonsense, including that our technology comes from aliens and that China harvests their organs. He also runs the creepy “China before communism” Shen Yun dance troupe and the NED-funded far-right rag The Epic Times.
Is Li Hongzhi a CIA Agent? Tracing the Funding Trail Through the Friends of Falun Gong
In 2000, Mark Palmer, one of the National Endowment for Democracy’s (NED’s) founders and Vice Chairman of Freedom House—an organization funded entirely by the U.S. Congress—founded a new government-supported group, Friends of Falun Gong (FoFG). By perusing FoFG’s annual tax filings, one discovers that FoFG has contributed funds to Sounds of Hope Radio, New Tang Dynasty TV, and the Epoch Times—all Falun Gong media outlets. FoFG has also contributed to Dragon Springs (a Falun Gong ‘compound’ that hosts a Falun Gong school and a residency complex) and to Shen Yun (a Falun Gong performance company), as well as to Falun Gong’s PR arm. In order to contextualize the U.S. government’s funding of Falun Gong, it will also be helpful to examine a handful of additional U.S. agency activities, such as the NED’s funding of Liu Xiaobo, the Hong Kong protests, and other China-related and Tibet-related groups.
I don’t care what that cult says or the conspiration theories about it.
I know the Epoch Times is a biased source, what else you got /r/sino mods?
I don’t care what that cult says
Yet you parrot their nonsese, curious.
Then why are you citing them? Epoch times literally worse than british tabloids.
Which of these
washingtonpost.com smh.com.au chinatribunal.com theowp.org
Are you referring as “being the epoch times” ?
You are the one that cited Falun Gong, which is a weird fascist cult, not me. Also as people have already told you every part of the federal government has had to admit that it was all propaganda with zero evidence. I am done talking to you. You refuse to read anyone else’s sources and don’t even stop to think that the paper owned by Jeff fucking Bezos might not have a vested interest in demonizing China and particularly socialism as a whole. Take your fascist nonsense back to reddit lib.
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I am happy to know it’s not worth my time to keep debunking the same old tired talking points time and time again so in a way sure you saved me the time by confirming that you are just another JAQing off concern troll and no amount of explaining will convince of how or why you are wrong.
you can truly convince a westerner of anything
Like, every single time.
And then, 15–65 years later when documents get declassified, they’ll claim they knew all along 😂
I try to lead them to water, but do they ever drink?
You can lead a lib to sources, but you can’t make them think.
The effectiveness of Western propaganda lies in its alignment with preexisting biases. When narratives depicting China as inherently oppressive or barbaric are disseminated, they perfectly fit with Orientalist worldviews these people hold.
10I know China did that bad thing because China Bad™.
20I know China Bad™ because, as we’ve already determined, they did that bad thing.
30GOTO 10
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China
In December 2018, a non-governmental tribunal known as the China Tribunal, chaired by British barrister Sir Geoffrey Nice KC, concluded: “unanimously, and sure beyond a reasonable doubt—that in China forced organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience has been practiced for a substantial period of time involving a very substantial number of victims.”[16][17] China eventually admitted that it had engaged in systematic organ harvesting from death row prisoners,[8] though it denies that such an organ harvesting program is ongoing.[1]
[16] https://chinatribunal.com/
We know how imperial authoritarians operate.
you keep on guzzling your state propaganda kiddo 🤣
We know how imperial authoritarians operate.
Yes, we do: The blueprint of regime change operations | How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent
Your going to need something fresher than that if you want to stay ahead of the infestation of imperialists.
Try learning about Imperial Post-Modernism under Hypermodern Authoritarianism
How regime change happens in the 21st century
Your going to need something fresher than that
Sure thing, time traveler 👍
Try learning about Imperial Post-Modernism under Hypermodern Authoritarianism
I’ll be sure look into that strung-together five-dollar word theory that you just made up 👍
Funny there is no russian aggression towards Ukraine being ridiculed
But I’m sure thats just coincidence, right guys 🙃
Funny this meme isn’t about other things than the things that it’s about. Checkmate!
Funny there was not a single brain cell engaged in writing the parent comment.
But I’m sure thats just coincidence, right guys 🙃
what are you talking about, it is being granted the ridicule it prompts:
https://lemmy.ml/post/28592263
https://lemmy.ml/post/28408453/17899643
https://lemmy.ml/post/29184553/18235939
Hell, even OP posted a news article mentioning Russia stepping up aggression: https://lemmy.ml/post/28449137
That one got crickets, because you pearl-clutching bloodthirsty eurolibs don’t actually care about human values. So long as the Global South does your bidding, your worst “struggle” will always be waking up in the morning not knowing whether you want a cup of pumpkin spiced latte or salted caramel machiatto. Deeply unserious comment.
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Is there something not clear to you in the comment? I can repeat it very slowly if that helps
