Lots of people on Lemmy really dislike AI’s current implementations and use cases.
I’m trying to understand what people would want to be happening right now.
Destroy gen AI? Implement laws? Hoping all companies use it for altruistic purposes to help all of mankind?
Thanks for the discourse. Please keep it civil, but happy to be your punching bag.
Make it unprofitable for the companies peddling it, by passing laws that curtail its use, by suing them for copyright infringement, by social shaming and shitting on AI generated anything on social media and in person and by voting with your money to avoid anything that is related to it
Reduce global resource consumption with the goal of eliminating fossil fuel use. Burning nat gas to make fake pictures that everyone hates is just the worst.
i would use it to take a shit if they let me
My favorite one that I’ve heard is: “ban it”. This has a lot of problems… let’s say despite the billions of dollars of lobbyists already telling Congress what a great thing AI is every day, that you manage to make AI, or however you define the latest scary tech, punishable by death in the USA.
Then what happens? There are already AI companies in other countries busily working away. Even the folks that are very against AI would at least recognize some limited use cases. Over time the USA gets left behind in whatever the end results of the appearance of AI on the economy.
If you want to see a parallel to this, check out Japan’s reaction when the rest of the world came knocking on their doorstep in the 1600s. All that scary technology, banned. What did it get them? Stalled out development for quite a while, and the rest of the world didn’t sit still either. A temporary reprieve.
The more aggressive of you will say, this is no problem, let’s push for a worldwide ban. Good luck with that. For almost any issue on Earth, I’m not sure we have total alignment. The companies displaced from the USA would end up in some other country and be even more determined not to get shut down.
AI is here. It’s like electricity. You can not wire your house but that just leads to you living in a cabin in the woods while your neighbors have running water, heat, air conditioning and so on.
The question shouldn’t be, how do we get rid of it? How do we live without it? It should be, how can we co-exist with it? What’s the right balance? The genie isn’t going back in the bottle, no matter how hard you wish.
Lots of copyright comments.
I want those building it at scale to stop killing my planet.
Serious investigation into copyright breaches done by AI creators. They ripped off images and texts, even whole books, without the copyright owners permissions.
If any normal person broke the laws like this, they would hand out prison sentences till kingdom come and fines the size of the US debt.
I just ask for the law to be applied to all equally. What a surprising concept…
We are filthy criminals if we pirate one textbook for studies. But when Facebook (Meta) pirates millions of books (anywhere between 30 million and 200 million ebooks, depending on their file size), they are a brilliant and successful business.
We’re making the same mistake with AI as we did with cars; not planning human future.
Cars were designed to atrophy muscles, and polluted urban planning and the air.
AI is being designed to atrophy brains, and pollutes the air, the internet, public discourse, and more to come.We should change course towards AI that makes people smarter, not dumber: AI-aided collaborative thinking.
https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-better-to-work-on-intelligence-augmentation-rather-than-artificial-intelligence/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunenget rid of it, nobody wants it or needs it, and should only be offered as a service to niche industries. phones, places like youtube do not need the slop. its not ready for medical screening/scans, as it can easily make mistakes.
I generally pro AI but agree with the argument that having big tech hoard this technology is the real problem.
The solution is easy and right there in front of everyone’s eyes. Force open source on everything. All datasets, models, model weights and so on have to be fully transparent. Maybe as far as hardware firmware should be open source.
This will literally solve every single problem people have other than energy use which is a fake problem to begin with.
AI overall? Generally pro. LLMs and generative AI, though, I’m “against”, mostly meaning that I think it’s misused.
Not sure what the answer is, tbh. Reigning in corporations would be good.
I do think we as a society need to radically alter our relationship to IP law. Right now we ‘enforce’ IP law in a way that benefits corporations but not individuals. We should either get rid of IP law altogether (which would protect people from corporations abusing the laws) or we should enforce it more strictly, and actually hold corporations accountable for breaking it.
If we fixed that, I think gen AI would be fine. But we aren’t doing that.
Of the AI that are forced to serve up a response (almost all publicly available AI), they resort to hallucinating gratuitously in order to conform to their mandate. As in, they do everything they can in order to provide some sort of a response/answer, even if it’s wildly wrong.
Other AI that do not have this constraint (medical imaging diagnosis, for example) do not hallucinate in the least, and provide near-100% accurate responses. Because for them, the are not being forced to provide a response, regardless of the viability of the answer.
I don’t avoid AI because it is bad.
I avoid AI because it is so shackled that it has no choice but to hallucinate gratuitously, and make far more work for me than if I just did everything myself the long and hard way.
I don’t think that the forcing of an answer is the source of the problem you’re describing. The source actually lies in the problems that the AI is taught to solve and the data it is provided to solve the problem.
In the case of medical image analysis, the problems are always very narrowly defined (e.g. segmenting the liver from an MRI image of scanner xyz made with protecol abc) and the training data is of very high quality. If the model will be used in the clinic, you also need to prove how well it works.
For modern AI chatbots the problem is: add one word to the end of the sentence starting with a system prompt, the data provided is whatever they could get on the internet, and the quality controle is: if it sounds good it is good.
Comparing the two problems it is easy to see why AI chatbots are prone to hallucination.
The actual power of the LLMs on the market is not as glorified google, but as foundational models that are used as pretraining for actual problems people want to solve.
force companies to pay for the data they scraped from copyrighted works. break up the largest tech conglomerates so they cannot leverage their monopolistic market positions to further their goals, which includes the investment in A.I. products.
ultimately, replace the free market (cringe) with a centralized computer system to manage resource needs of a socialist state
also force Elon Musk to receive a neuralink implant and force him to hallucinate the ghostly impressions of spongebob squarepants laughing for the rest of his life (in prison)
I would love to see regulation, that any contet created by AI cannot be used commercially.
I love e.g. that parents can make their own children books, but nobody should profit from all the stolen work of artists.
Even that constitutes theft on some level. It devalues children’s books and the talents required to create them. It disincentivizes parents to go support actual authors and illustrators, and anything they make with AI is based on stolen intellectual property.
Yep, it does. But then again it is in line with how copyright works today: I can draw a Mickey Mouse comic for my child as much as I want, I cannot publish it.
And most parents would not have the time anyway to cut out “all the children’s books”. I love how I could create one that my daughter wished for for her birthday, but it is not a serious dent into our book spendings or library rentals.
Other people have some really good responses in here.
I’m going to echo that AI is highlighting the problems of capitalism. The ownership class wants to fire a bunch of people and replace them with AI, and keep all that profit for themselves. Not good.
Nobody talks how it highlights the success of capitalism either.
I live in SEA and AI is incredibly powerful here giving opportunity for anyone to learn. The net positive of this is incredible even if you think that copyright is good and intellectual property needs government protection. It’s just that lop sided of an argument.
I think western social media is spoiled and angry and the wrong thing but fighting these people is entirely pointless because you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. Big tech == bad, blah blah blah.
You don’t need AI for people to learn. I’m not sure what’s left of your point without that assertion.
You’re showing your ignorance if you think the whole world has access to fit education. And I say fit because there’s a huge difference learning from books made for Americans and AI tailored experiences just for you. The difference is insane and anyone who doesn’t understand that should really go out more and I’ll leave it at that.
Just the amount of frictionless that AI removes makes learning so much more accessible for huge percentage of population. I’m not even kidding, as an educator, LLM is the best invention since the internet and this will be very apparent in 10 years, you can quote me on this.
You shouldn’t trust anything the LLM tells you though, because it’s a guessing machine. It is not credible. Maybe if you’re just using it for translation into your native language? I’m not sure if it’s good at that.
If you have access to the internet, there are many resources available that are more credible. Many of them free.
Again you’re just showing your ignorance how actually available this is to people outside of your immediate circle, maybe you should travel a bit and open up your mind.
Not much, just don’t build it over theft.
