Some comrades over at Hexbear have organized a donation drive for Palestine and, over the past few weeks, have managed to raise over $1500 for verified Palestinian fundraisers. The fediverse is a good place full of good people.
Some comrades over at Hexbear have organized a donation drive for Palestine and, over the past few weeks, have managed to raise over $1500 for verified Palestinian fundraisers. The fediverse is a good place full of good people.
As I said:
It seems that you’re not genuinely interested in that and you’re arguing purely in nationalist terms, so yeah, you’ve proven your bad faith and your lack of willingness to discuss the current issues of Ukraine outside your pro-western framework. So yeah, I guess we are done.
Tankie logic.
You made claims you didn’t back up and moved the goal posts twice, and finally resolved to calling them a tankie.
You’re “pro Ukraine” in the same way Zionists are “pro Israel”, they cannot do wrong and they cannot be criticized. Anyone who criticizes Ukraine is a Russian tankie bot.
Ukraine does have a Nazi history and a Nazi problem, and that’s separate from and not a defense of Russia or Putin, and rejecting it as tankie logic simply because Putin used it as a talking point is intellectually dishonest.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946
And Zelenski is an unapologetic genocide supporting Zionist, why would anyone collecting funds for victims of Israeli genocide also collect funds for its cheerleaders.
We can accept that Russia is wrong and Putin is evil and the war on Ukraine is bad without sanctifying Ukraine and pretending it has no problems.
He must have posted over on his hexbear account.
Tankie brigade is here to make sure everyone knows that they think ukraine is filled with Nazis…and now Zelenskyy is a Zionist…tankies gonna tank I guess.
Another one added to the tag group.
Jesus Christ you’re hopeless.
I even provided a liberal western media source for you, but you’re right, suggesting Nazis exist in Ukraine (where they welcomed Hitler and exterminated upwards of 1.6 million Jews) is tankie brigading.
And dismissing that zelenski is a Zionist is… I don’t even know how to label that, you’re just shoving your fingers in your ears and screaming “LALALA TANKIE TANKIE TANKIE”.
So does russia also have a nazi problem then? Where they allied with hitler? Or you just want to keep spewing tankie shit to fit russias narrative?
And if I can remember correctly…jews aren’t exactly fans of nazis…or are you one of those Holocaust deniers as well?
I have not once defended Russia or their war on Ukraine, I simply said Ukraine is not perfect, and that it’s really stupid to keep calling people tankies simply for criticizing it.
Not particularly. Russia/the RSFSR is generally understood as a major victim of Nazi Germany, even though some Russians did collaborate. That is different from saying Russia had the same kind of widespread Nazi collaboration problem seen in some other occupied regions.
https://encyclopedia.yivo.org/article/2015
The USSR was, temporarily. The Nazi-Soviet pact in 1939 was a real agreement, and it helped enable the joint destruction of Poland. But that does not erase the fact that the RSFSR was later invaded by Nazi Germany and suffered enormously, including over 119,000 Jewish victims in the occupied parts of Soviet Russia. So no, “Russians suffered under Nazism” and “the USSR collaborated with Hitler before 1941” are both true.
Is it tankie shit to read history books? The Red Army liberated Auschwitz!
You calling me a tankie doesn’t change facts or history. Russia invading Ukraine is bad.
Historically, there was substantial Ukrainian collaboration with the Nazi occupation, including the Ukrainian Auxiliary Police, which Yad Vashem says assisted German forces in anti-Jewish operations and other repressive actions, while the Holocaust in Ukraine was one of the main killing grounds of the entire genocide.
FSR was mainly on the receiving end of Nazi occupation and mass murder. Ukraine, by contrast, was not only a major killing ground of the Holocaust but also saw meaningful local collaboration, and it still has a real far-right problem today. Freedom House has explicitly described far-right extremism in Ukraine as a threat to Ukrainian democracy and documented violent intimidation by right-wing radical groups.
That doesn’t make all Ukrainians Nazis; it just means the history and the present are uglier than the usual clean nationalist story. And calling people tankies for criticizing Ukraine or Zelenski is really, really, stupid.
You mean ‘The Ukraine’, as in, a member state of the USSR as it existed at that time, and not ‘Ukraine’ a sovereign country, which it has been since 1991.
Because changing the country magically erases its crimes and changes the racism and hatred in its people?
Yeah… And Russia is no longer in the USSR, all good there, nothing to see. New country new history.
Thought-terminating cliche, easier to disregard someone with coherent arguments and a humane outlook on Ukraine than to engage in a framework contradicting the propaganda in your nation’s terms. I’ve explicitly told you how I’ve hosted Ukrainian refugees in my home, and I haven’t told you how much I’ve donated to Ukrainian individuals, but you’d rather disregard me as a “Ukrainian hater” despite my actions.
Sure thing…you keep spewing that russian propaganda…
Second thought-terminating cliche in a row!
I keep spewing the Russian propaganda such as me denying that the reason why Russia invaded Ukraine was to curb Nazism and arguing that that’s just propaganda to justify it internally?
I provided links and users…and you denied it…
Hell their is even a user in this comment that’s saying Zelenskyy is a Zionist but also that Ukraine is filled with Nazis…make that one work.
You cherrypicked quotes from users and misinterpreted what they say, after moving the goalposts from your initial statement.
No…no I didn’t but ok.