There aren’t that many trans folk who are athletes. There definitely won’t be enough for a team at colleges, in communities for kids teams,and professional wise thatd be impossible. Add on that that would mean at competitions, with how few trans people are doing sports, the very few people would always get medals.
Theres also the matter of putting trans women against trans men is, if you go by the supposed rules of fairness these people argue for then, incredibly unfair (especially if it’s not separated by weight class which is next to impossible since again there aren’t enough trans people who do sports) and means that trans women would usually lose because they lose all their muscle mass after transition. Estrogen does that.
There’s also the matter of securing funding. Women’s sports are already under funded so how would q sport team that is too small and an unfair competition secure any funding?
The reality is that trans people having an unfair advantage is fucking BS. Trans women lose all advantages they might have had over cis women when they transition. Once they get in the same hormones level they only could have the same kind of genetic advantages that cis women could have. Like height and wing span and all the other shit that cis women can have just as often.
This also ignores trans men who, if being forced to compete against cis women, would dominate because they are actively taking testosterone.
The best, and only solution is to allow trans folk to compete in matching leagues to their gender identity as long as they’re on hormones. Which is already a rule in every single sport trans people compete in.
Trans men can’t compete against women because that’s literally illegal doping. My kid wanted to start T at 18 and wanted to do soccer at school and I had to gently remind him that was not possible, the school isn’t allowed to let girls onto the boys team (for sports that have a girls team) and then they could not be on the girls team either.
So that’s already handled with existing rules.
I do agree with more categories, if we already have categories, and if there are enough people in a given category to field a team. Schools don’t need to rank teams, honestly, they could just stop doing that, let the kids play on mixed teams and be better off. I don’t personally know any trans people who think it’s unfair they can’t do pro sports, though I’m sure they exist.
I do know a lady who transitioned though, did yoga with her and she could still do better more of the things guys are better at, despite being on E for a long time because she still had the shoulders & frame like a guy, weight distribution different. Was also 6’3" but height doesn’t confer specific advantage in yoga.
they lose all their muscle mass after transition. Estrogen does that
Yeah, estrogen does make you lose considerable muscle mass. That really, really shouldn’t be surprising. I used to be able to do overhead shoulder presses at around 40 kg without deliberately maintaining muscle mass. After 10 years of estrogen and antiandrogens, I can’t do 18 kg and that is with active training including a much more careful protein-based diet.
All your example suggests is that the 6’3" trans woman can do is… Something a 6’3" woman can do. Cisgender people aren’t discriminated against because of their natural height, their frame or their reach either, but applying that to a trans woman for something as non-competitive as yoga is all kinds of weird.
While frame doesn’t change much, it becomes much, much harder to use that frame, which becomes a considerable disadvantage. Muscle mass of trans women is less than cis women, our T levels (if properly suppressed) are drastically lower than that of cis women.
Or, to be as pithy as your final comment. Bones and the muscoskeletal system have mass, WTF?
Yoga isn’t competitive, but is physical exercise, that was why the example. Sport in general could be less competitive, and more fun.
There are already lots of categories in competitive sports. Nobody at my kids school was hostile towards the trans kids, that hostility is coming from the state and a few parents and the schools, as far as we can tell, are doing their best to insulate the kids from it.
There aren’t that many trans folk who are athletes. There definitely won’t be enough for a team at colleges, in communities for kids teams,and professional wise thatd be impossible. Add on that that would mean at competitions, with how few trans people are doing sports, the very few people would always get medals.
Theres also the matter of putting trans women against trans men is, if you go by the supposed rules of fairness these people argue for then, incredibly unfair (especially if it’s not separated by weight class which is next to impossible since again there aren’t enough trans people who do sports) and means that trans women would usually lose because they lose all their muscle mass after transition. Estrogen does that.
There’s also the matter of securing funding. Women’s sports are already under funded so how would q sport team that is too small and an unfair competition secure any funding?
The reality is that trans people having an unfair advantage is fucking BS. Trans women lose all advantages they might have had over cis women when they transition. Once they get in the same hormones level they only could have the same kind of genetic advantages that cis women could have. Like height and wing span and all the other shit that cis women can have just as often.
This also ignores trans men who, if being forced to compete against cis women, would dominate because they are actively taking testosterone.
The best, and only solution is to allow trans folk to compete in matching leagues to their gender identity as long as they’re on hormones. Which is already a rule in every single sport trans people compete in.
Trans men can’t compete against women because that’s literally illegal doping. My kid wanted to start T at 18 and wanted to do soccer at school and I had to gently remind him that was not possible, the school isn’t allowed to let girls onto the boys team (for sports that have a girls team) and then they could not be on the girls team either.
So that’s already handled with existing rules.
I do agree with more categories, if we already have categories, and if there are enough people in a given category to field a team. Schools don’t need to rank teams, honestly, they could just stop doing that, let the kids play on mixed teams and be better off. I don’t personally know any trans people who think it’s unfair they can’t do pro sports, though I’m sure they exist.
I do know a lady who transitioned though, did yoga with her and she could still do better more of the things guys are better at, despite being on E for a long time because she still had the shoulders & frame like a guy, weight distribution different. Was also 6’3" but height doesn’t confer specific advantage in yoga.
they lose all their muscle mass after transition. Estrogen does that
Women have muscle mass, WTF?
Yeah, estrogen does make you lose considerable muscle mass. That really, really shouldn’t be surprising. I used to be able to do overhead shoulder presses at around 40 kg without deliberately maintaining muscle mass. After 10 years of estrogen and antiandrogens, I can’t do 18 kg and that is with active training including a much more careful protein-based diet.
All your example suggests is that the 6’3" trans woman can do is… Something a 6’3" woman can do. Cisgender people aren’t discriminated against because of their natural height, their frame or their reach either, but applying that to a trans woman for something as non-competitive as yoga is all kinds of weird.
While frame doesn’t change much, it becomes much, much harder to use that frame, which becomes a considerable disadvantage. Muscle mass of trans women is less than cis women, our T levels (if properly suppressed) are drastically lower than that of cis women.
Or, to be as pithy as your final comment. Bones and the muscoskeletal system have mass, WTF?
Yoga isn’t competitive, but is physical exercise, that was why the example. Sport in general could be less competitive, and more fun.
There are already lots of categories in competitive sports. Nobody at my kids school was hostile towards the trans kids, that hostility is coming from the state and a few parents and the schools, as far as we can tell, are doing their best to insulate the kids from it.