• vividspecter@aussie.zone
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    Shouldn’t be legal, even for adults (like in Australia). This is the type of 20th century quackery we’ve come to expect from Dr Brainworm.

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      I don’t think they shouldn’t be legal. I think adults should be able to do just about anything they want, even if it harms themselves, as long as it doesn’t harm others. Having the government step in and stop any “harmful” behavior leads to them calling any behavior they don’t like harmful. “Being gay/trans/etc is harmful.”

      They shouldn’t be allowed to advertise though. We should be free to make our own decisions, and that means no one manipulating our behavior with advertising.

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        I think adults should be able to do just about anything they want, even if it harms themselves, as long as it doesn’t harm others.

        Then they can go lay on the beach or something, shouldn’t let companies offer products and services that are known to be dangerous and unhealthy.

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          I disagree. If I want to use drugs that hurt me, I should be allowed to, for example. In my opinion, that’s the government overstepping. They should regulate stuff, to make sure it is what it says it is, and make sure people are aware of the risks, and people aren’t being manipulated. If they choose to harm themselves, they should be allowed to.

          I should be able to eat junk food, or go skydiving, or drive a car, or whatever else I want to do if I’m OK with the risk. The government removing the choice is way too far. Their only role should be ensuring the risk is as known as possible.

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            I disagree. If I want to use drugs that hurt me, I should be allowed to, for example.

            That’s what I said though, if you want to do something to yourself, go for it.

            But companies shouldn’t be allowed to knowingly sell harmful drugs.

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              How are you supposed to legally do something if it’s illegal to purchase? That makes no sense. Why should the government be involved in deciding what you can and can’t buy, beyond ensuring it is what it is and it isn’t misleading or influencing you?

              Also, all drugs are potentially harmful.

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        I think adults should be able to do just about anything they want, even if it harms themselves, as long as it doesn’t harm others.

        Producing and selling a tanning bed does harm other people.

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            So do you think selling cars should be illegal, or is “adults should be able to do just about anything they want, even if it harms themselves, as long as it doesn’t harm others” maybe just a tad too simplistic of a rule to decide what should or should not be allowed?

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              Obviously it’s too simplistic. I didn’t write a fucking law about it that needs to be perfect. This is a casual internet forum, and everyone knows that a statement like that isn’t literal. Anything you do has some public risk, that we find acceptable.

              A tanning bed doesn’t though, besides potentially starting a fire, or things like that which we don’t need to factor in here. Similarly, most drugs only harms yourself. Yes, there’s some amount that ends up in the water supply, and distribution can cause harm (as is true for literally everything). The outside dangers are insignificant though and we do not need to discuss them further. If you want a more specific wording, “adults should be able to do what they want as long as the harm to others is below a socially acceptable threshold.”

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                For both tanning beds and drugs there is a significant health risk. In a society that treats health as a purely personal matter, those probably should not factor in to the question of acceptable or non-acceptable harm to others. In a society that treats health as a shared common responsibility, it does factor in because it takes up resources that could otherwise be used elsewhere.

                This might also partially explain why healthcare in the USA is the way it is: It is in conflict with the American interpretation of what freedom means.

                P.S.: Not assuming you personally are American, but the ideas you expressed are in line with what you would expect from a stereotypical American about this topic.

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                  For both tanning beds and drugs there is a significant health risk. In a society that treats health as a purely personal matter, those probably should not factor in to the question of acceptable or non-acceptable harm to others. In a society that treats health as a shared common responsibility, it does factor in because it takes up resources that could otherwise be used elsewhere.

                  OK, so they should ban junk food, cars, anything that produces pollution, candles, knives, and anything else that hurts people.

                  This might also partially explain why healthcare in the USA is the way it is: It is in conflict with the American interpretation of what freedom means.

                  P.S.: Not assuming you personally are American, but the ideas you expressed are in line with what you would expect from a stereotypical American about this topic.

                  I am an American, but your view is more in line with the American mode of thinking. America has a facade of “freedom”, but it’s always been very limited. We have a basis of puritanical ideology, that is pushed on everyone. No drugs, no gay marriage, etc. We banned alcohol once. How many nations have done that? We have one of the higher drinking ages in most places (usually 21yo, rather than the typical 18).

                  The American government is far more involved in making decisions for people than anyone else. They decide what’s good or bad, and then push it on you.

                  I can’t understand why you’d want others to make that decision for you. Yes, in a perfect world maybe it’d be OK, but we aren’t in a perfect world. They won’t always agree with you. If you push this decision to the government, they get to decide if trans healthcare is allowed, or if trans people can exist at all, or homosexuality (which has been illegal many places because it’s “harmful to society”), or whatever else they don’t like at any moment. Thinking it’ll be only what you agree with is nieve and shortsighted.

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    So he’s against antidepressants, which serve a legitimate health purpose , but all for minors using tanning beds….

    Because the Epstein class want those sexy tanned teens.

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    Kennedy’s action comes at a time when many adherents of his Make America Healthy Again movement have adopted regular sun exposure as a core principle of wellness, with social media influencers encouraging followers to abandon sunscreen and build up their “solar callus,” or sun tolerance, instead.

    It makes so much sense now why he always looks like he just got back from a trip to the Sun.

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    Kennedy’s action comes at a time when many adherents of his Make America Healthy Again movement have adopted regular sun exposure as a core principle of wellness, with social media influencers encouraging followers to abandon sunscreen and build up their “solar callus,” or sun tolerance, instead.

    This kind of bullshit makes me so angry.

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      So, the goal is to make our skin rough as a leather bag?

      Even black people can get sunburnt, despite having far more melanin than a pasty old man like RFK Jr. There’s no way white people can approach that level of natural skin protection, yet even the darkest skin has its limits when it comes to blocking UV. But I guess if RFK’s ilk wants to fuck around and find out, they can have at it.

      As for me, I’ll keep using sunblock. And avoiding sewage wastewater. And getting my vaccinations. And taking my anti-depressants. And washing my hands…

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        I mean I knew vaguely about his anti vaccine stuff from when he was on the radio but he seemed like a “Nader’s Raiders” type, fighting industry, and plus he was an ecological protection advocate. But no I didn’t know he was cutting animals dicks off and drinking clothing dye and stuff.

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    Someone tried to tell me RFK was doing good things because he was finally going after red dyes in food… completely ignoring ALLLLLL the other quackery.

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      This was never about science or reality.

      They hate us for defying their ways and challenging them to be better. They’d rather destroy everything we all had than allow trans people and immigrants to live in peace.

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        I had so much hope in the 90s, it felt like things were really shifting, there was a lot of music about it even, people could feel it. I don’t know if that was real or just blowing smoke up all our asses, but a lot of people worked really hard and a lot even died for our rights and recognition. It’s really a shame to see that all being pissed away by complacency, and worst of all the man at the head of it all is literally the antithesis of everything I believe in.

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      This movement to ban petroleum based dyes in food started long before he was in office and attributing it to him is incorrect.

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        Right? I was under the impression they were already banned a lot of other places as well. We’ve been dragging our heels because of corporate kissassism.

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    Since when are minors not allowed to used tanning beds? My dad was obsessed with them so he made me use one a couple of times when I was a teenager. Needless to say, he got skin cancer. Dude was just sitting in the sun to help his depression but wouldn’t admit it cause he’s a stubborn boomer who doesn’t believe in mental health treatment. He probably just needed vitamin D suppliments.

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      Shouldn’t be vitamin D with that amount of sun, tbh.

      15 min of sun exposure 2-3 times a week even when wearing a t-shirt should be sufficient for most white people.

      Perhaps it could’ve been some sort of underlying vitamin D production issue, so that he knew he sort of wanted it, but his body just didn’t produce it despite sun exposure.

      But yeah you don’t need to literally tan yoself to get sufficient sun exposure for vitamin d, even at higher latitudes.

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    Hey, skin cancer is the new “in” look! Hope all these MAHA adherents have good insurance when they need surgery to dig the melanomas out of them.