The Democratic votes on the pair of resolutions from Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., were not enough to overcome universal opposition from Republicans.
Still, the votes represented a watershed moment in the party’s relationship with Israel and the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Israel had continued to enjoy strong support from Democratic leaders, despite outrage from the base over the war on Gaza. Sanders said the votes signaled that party leaders are finally taking note.
“This is where the American people are. The polls are very clear: The overwhelming majority of American people do not want to continue to give weapons to Netanyahu and his horrific wars in the Mideast,” he said. “I think the Democrats have caught on to that. It took a little while, but they caught on to that. But Republicans, I think, are standing in opposition to millions of their own supporters.”
If the Ds had enough votes to block passage, magically, just one would vote against.
We need a country to bribe our reps more than Israel does, this is the only way. Oops, I mean donate.
China, you’re our only hope.
Bare minimum but a start I guess
Hold off the saves act and then do it again after they loose the midterms.
Now send iron dome to Gaza and sanctions against Israel
DIdn’t the DNC vote those sorts of policies down in terms of adding em to the next platform when they run? Seem to recall seeing that recently.
If so, my guess is this is a political maneuver to try and reclaim the votes they lost for unflinching support of Israel. It’s the “Well, we can all vote no now, to look good to the voters and hedge our bets to get elected – but then once elected, we just go back to the status quo, which we technically never said we’d veer away from, so no harm no foul”.
Cool! Now let’s do that 2 years ago
If you know popular legislation will fail then it’s easier to support it.
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Does this mean the tankies are actually going to vote in the midterms?
Or are they just going to have a harder time coming up with excuses why Democrats are so bad that it’s better just to let Republicans hold onto power?
Leftists will vote for leftists
How will leftists vote for leftists if leftists won’t run?
Does this mean the tankies are actually going to vote in the midterms?
No. Since we hold all the cards and the democrats can’t win without us. We’re waiting on every conservative democrat to apologize to us for their support of a genocide before we let the democrats hold office again.
If you really support the democrats you should be groveling for forgiveness in your response. If you refuse, I’ll be bringing that up at the next tankie meeting.
We’re waiting on every conservative democrat to apologize to us for their support of a genocide before we let the democrats hold office again.
Republicans get a pass though?
I’ve got nothing to grovel for your forgiveness for. Not sure if you’re serious about the tankie meeting thing, but that’s a lame-ass thing to say, and I really don’t give a shit if you all decide to waste your time complaining about some random lemming who has the gall to remind you that letting republicans win to spite the democrats is fucking idiotic.
We’re waiting on every conservative democrat to apologize to us for their support of a genocide before we let the democrats hold office again.
Maybe if you would vote in the fucking primaries then you could replace more conservative democrats with progressives. Maybe if you would vote at all then democrats would court the left-wing voting bloc more instead of considering it a lost cause and courting the center/right. But abstaining from the political process and then complaining when you don’t get your way and blaming everyone else is asinine.
Yeah that presidential primary last election rocked, can’t wait for the next one.
Man I remember when Bernie was in the primaries. It was totally normal and he didn’t win for totally normal reasons in spite of the very cool democratic party supporting him.
…now? They just did this now? What was the inflection point?
They were probably told to wait until Israel got most of what it wanted and then were allowed to do this to save face. Fuck all democrats who voted yes previously, this will not absolve them. They deserve to rot in the same cesspit with Trump and Netanyahu.
Israel hasn’t stolen all of Lebanon yet
Only thing I can think of, is that the world is turning against Israel. Including Italy, France, UK, Spain, South Korea, and even Saudi Arabia is shutting down their sport-washing projects like LIV Golf and cutting off their Bonds investments in USA.
Hey Dems, this is the kind of hings we want. Keep it up. Do actual healthcare and debt reduction next!
Future: Sorry, even though there are 55 Democratic senators now, six of them won’t vote for it because of inscrutable reasons and there’s just nothing we can do!
Too little too late. Anyone that supported Israel and defended their “right to defend themselves” needs to be hung. They’re just trying to weasel their way into the left’s good graces.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
Send them to the Hague to face trial.
We’ve tried the trial and these morons put a conservative in charge of it because too many of them believe in working with the other side. They are complicit and deserve the same punishments as conservatives.
I’m assuming they know it won’t pass because of the Republican majority so they are virtue signaling. I can’t trust either side.
Call their bluff and give them the majority they need yet secretly hope they don’t receive?
Why does your cult always put the burden on the voters and not the party to do what their constituency wants?
If they really want to oppose Israel, ask them to renounce their lobbying and kick them out instead?
“Call their bluff and make them win”
What kind of retarded strategy is this?
I mean, the alternative is what we have. Can’t see how that’s better. Giving them the votes for it would, at worst, change absolutely nothing, and at best prove cynics wrong and minutely improve shit. What’s there to lose?
your cult
I’m not even American. I’m just wondering if that would be an effective strategy. I’m probably wrong and I wonder why that is the case.
If they did this about 2 years ago we wouldn’t have Trump.
I guess an eventual response is better than no response. Although for many is this juat a decision to win votes? Like I want representatives that have morals, but I suppose ones that listen to their voters is better than the current situation
I too can never quite shake the feeling that at least sometimes the supposed opposition is just theatre. Especially when they know it won’t make any functional difference, they can say “well, gosh darn it, we tried” when in reality they’ll always magically never have enough votes to do the right thing.
And if in some miracle they do, the Parliamentarian will just stop it.
Are Democrats feeling the Bern at last?
Imagine if you will - a world where we would have had Bernie instead of Sweet Potato Hitler V1.
Never forget kids: The rich are the true and only enemy.
Hell, I’m still imagining a world where we had Gore instead of Junior.
Two easy ones:
No 9-11. There would have eventually been an attempt somehow, hell, maybe it would have been worse, like a dirty bomb. But the ball wouldn’t have been dropped on staying alert. Climate activism. Still think it was far too late even by 2000 to prevent the worst that’s coming (which tells you were I think we are now), but at least Gore knew the science and would have tried to change something.
Still would have had our problems, but it’s such a different path, it’s hard to say what would have still happened.
I have a hard time believing that Gore would have made a difference on preventing 9-11, but I’m sure the response would have been different. Maybe no Patriot Act, maybe no Afghanistan War, almost certainly no Iraq War. That’s a big enough difference for me.
Bush was an idiot that blew off reports about Osama bin laden mobilizing. I don’t think Gore would have, personally.
It was safe to vote in order to appease the voters without actually doing anything because they knew the Republicans would shut it down.
If the vote were closer and couldn’t survive Democratic unanimity, just enough of the rotating selection would oppose it to keep it from passing while the rest saved face.
It’s a bad play I think if that’s their plan. It shows that criticizing Israel is fair game, which has pretty much been against everything said in the past. It’s an admission that they think that what Israel is doing is wrong. You can’t put that back. AIPAC would not be in favor of this. If this is just appeasement, it’s at least appeasement that can be pointed at to show what’s wrong.
They may think of it like appeasement
But this is only the beginning of the anti-zionist snowball
I desperately hope you’re right, but I suspect this is naïvely optimistic.
The Democratic Party has shown time and time again that they are willing to vote in line with the people if and only if their vote doesn’t change the outcome.
I’ll believe their votes on Israel mean anything when their votes – well – mean anything for the result.
Israel will only get more unpopular
More and more people see day after day the billions we spend sending weapons to Israel’s genocide and ethnic cleansing campaigns, billions that aren’t being used to help everyday americans
This type of resentment and anger is only growing, and will only grow faster as material conditions continue to worsen, which the vast majority of Americans are experiencing
So on top of the, rightfully, moral outrage at what Israel is, it’s also fuelled by that economic outrage, and both are only increasing
With berniecrat types, like Zohran and others, we see massive grassroots motion precisely because they can authentically tackle both those aspects. Calling out the truth of Apartheid and Genocide, demanding Divestment, on top of taxing the rich, moving all those funds to instead help cost of living at home
More and more berniecrats are winning races across the country because people are demanding a disruption to the status quo. The scare mongering of the socialist label doesn’t work anymore. People don’t care, they just hear that those policies can improve things. And as those policies do improve things, it only gets more and more popular
A Candidate whose unapologetically anti-zionist shows authenticity, so people are more charitable to that candidates socialist policies and more willing to give them a chance. The Republican policies aren’t working, the Liberal Democrat policies aren’t working, so fuck it, we ball
75%?
It’s nice, but we need meaningful campaign finance reform. We need to get Israeli money, and all foreign money, as far away from our political campaigns as possible.
Maybe I’m wrong about this, but I suspect a lot of Dems knew it wouldn’t pass and are virtue signaling. Let’s see if there’s a blue wave in November and if so, whether they still have the backbone to cut off Israel.
This wouldn’t be an issue if we just had campaign finance reform.
Virtue signaling is a good start.
Don’t underestimate the value of moving the Overton Window
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