Useless. Time for the Social Democrats to form their own party.
I’m sure to get dumped on for saying this but ya’ll need to chill out. President’s generally have authority to carry out military strikes. I can’t think of one in my lifetime that didn’t bomb somebody without congressional approval beforehand. Declaring war is a different matter but all the differences and nuances and where exactly the lines are, is not something courts have ever really figured out.
This impeachment resolution specifically said he declared war and he should be impeached because it’s Congress’ job to declare war. That’s the entirety of the complaint. It’s short. And it’s lazy. He didn’t declare war. He certainly risked starting a war, but he didn’t declare one. Democrats would have looked stupid for impeaching him for something he didn’t actually do and it would have failed just on the language alone. It did fail. And it should have.
All this ‘democrats are traitors’ or ‘they’re supporting fascism’ or ‘stabbing us in the back’ is crazy. They put forth a really bad impeachment resolution and it got shot down. You should be mad at AOC and Green for putting up a horrible impeachment resolution. It probably looked better last week when it looked like a real war might happen, but I don’t see anything impeachable here. If there is something, it’s deep and nuanced, it’s something that no one has ever agreed on the interpretation of, it’s something that Congress has let Presidents get away with for decades.
We’re not getting rid of this asshole by persuading the public that he disobeyed some highly nuanced technicality that nobody even agrees on. Shit, I’m getting sleepy just thinking about listening to a congressional hearing on it.
Funny how when America got bombed it was perceived as a clear declaration of war… Those double standards my guy
The US is an inescapable hell. I pity the people living there right now.
What the actual fuck is wrong with these idiots?
Well that was nice of them to make a list of who wants to be primaried
God damn right. Primary every last one of those gutless fuckers and never cast another vote for any of them if they represent you.
The day Americans realized no one was coming to save them 🫂
Here’s the full list of House Democrats who voted to table the impeachment articles.
Pete Aguilar (California) Gabe Amo (Rhode Island) Jake Auchincloss (Massachusetts) Wesley Bell (Missouri) Ami Bera (California) Don Beyer (Virginia) Sanford Bishop (Georgia) Julia Brownley (California) Nikki Budzinski (Illinois) Janelle Bynum (Oregon) Salud Carbajal (California) Andre Carson (Indiana) Ed Case (Hawaii) Sean Casten (Illinois) Kathy Castor (Florida) Sheila Cherfilus-McCormick (Florida) Katherine Clark (Massachusetts) Emanuel Cleaver (Missouri) Jim Clyburn (South Carolina) Herb Conaway (New Jersey) Lou Correa (California) Jim Costa (California) Joe Courtney (Connecticut) Angie Craig (Minnesota) Jason Crow (Colorado) Henry Cuellar (Texas) Sharice Davids (Kansas) Don Davis (North Carolina) Madeleine Dean (Pennsylvania) Rosa DeLauro (Connecticut) Suzan DelBene (Washington) Chris Deluzio (Pennsylvania) Debbie Dingell (Michigan) Sarah Elfreth (Maryland) Cleo Fields (Louisiana) Shomari Figures (Alabama) Lizzie Fletcher (Texas) Bill Foster (Illinois) Lois Frankel (Florida) Laura Gillen (New York) Jared Golden (Maine) Dan Goldman (New York) Vicente Gonzalez (Texas) Maggie Goodlander (New Hampshire) Josh Gottheimer (New Jersey) Adam Gray (California) Josh Harder (California) Jim Himes (Connecticut) Steven Horsford (Nevada) Chrissy Houlahan (Pennsylvania) Steny Hoyer (Maryland) Val Hoyle (Oregon) Hakeem Jeffries (New York) Julie Johnson (Texas) Marcy Kaptur (Ohio) Bill Keating (Massachusetts) Timothy Kennedy (New York) Ro Khanna (California) Greg Landsman (Ohio) Rick Larsen (Washington) John Larson (Connecticut) George Latimer (New York) Susie Lee (Nevada) Mike Levin (California) Sam Liccardo (California) Ted Lieu (California) Zoe Lofgren (California) Stephen Lynch (Massachusetts) Seth Magaziner (Rhode Island) John Mannion (New York) Lucy McBath (Georgia) Sarah McBride (Delaware) April McClain Delaney (Maryland) Jennifer McClellan (Virginia) Betty McCollum (Minnesota) Kristen McDonald Rivet (Michigan) Morgan McGarvey (Kentucky) Gregory Meeks (New York) Grace Meng (New York) Kweisi Mfume (Maryland) Joe Morelle (New York) Kelly Morrison (Minnesota) Jared Moskowitz (Florida) Seth Moulton (Massachusetts) Frank Mrvan (Indiana) Richard Neal (Massachusetts) Joe Neguse (Colorado) Johnny Olszewski (Maryland) Frank Pallone (New Jersey) Jimmy Panetta (California) Chris Pappas (New Hampshire) Nancy Pelosi (California) Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (Washington) Scott Peters (California) Brittany Pettersen (Colorado) Nellie Pou (New Jersey) Mike Quigley (Illinois) Jamie Raskin (Maryland) Josh Riley (New York) Deborah Ross (North Carolina) Pat Ryan (New York) Andrea Salinas (Oregon) Mary Gay Scanlon (Pennsylvania) Brad Schneider (Illinois) Hillary Scholten (Michigan) Kim Schrier (Washington) Bobby Scott (Virginia) Terri Sewell (Alabama) Adam Smith (Washington) Eric Sorensen (Illinois) Darren Soto (Florida) Greg Stanton (Arizona) Haley Stevens (Michigan) Marilyn Strickland (Washington) Suhas Subramanyam (Virginia) Tom Suozzi (New York) Emilia Sykes (Ohio) Paul Tonko (New York) Ritchie Torres (New York) Lori Trahan (Massachusetts) Derek Tran (California) Lauren Underwood (Illinois) Juan Vargas (California) Gabe Vasquez (New Mexico) Marc Veasey (Texas) Eugene Vindman (Virginia) Debbie Wasserman Schultz (Florida) George Whitesides (California)Ah, Jim Clyburn, the jackass who helped Biden win the primary and put us on the path to the second Trump term.
Really appreciate it. I’ve been telling myself I need to start adding to the emails of my reps, and used this list as the reason to start.
My representative, who is generally a pretty progressive guy, is on this list. A local journalist asked about his vote, and the statement from his office was that the congressman is waiting for a classified briefing on the Iran strikes to help determine whether the president broke the law.
I know that we live in a world where we expect not only a 24-hour news cycle, but 24-hour resolutions to all issues. Having a solid argument and proper evidence for impeachment is the sort of thing that moves more slowly than we would like.
Ro Khanna, Hakeem Jeffries and of course Nancy Pelosi.
He’s already been impeached twice in his previous presidency, he shouldn’t even be sitting where he’s at
I knew both sides were bad, but I didn’t realize the rot was infested this badly.
Nobody who said “blue no matter who” in 2024 is allowed to say “what the actual fuck” at this.
The alternative being…? What, third party candidates? Are you kidding? The only alternative to “blue no matter who” is more “red” and as you can see, there is literally zero support from “red” whereas there’s at least a substantial fraction from “blue.”
I don’t think many people who said “blue no matter who” are actually very surprised by this, because the phrase is not coming from die hard supporters, it’s coming from anyone with basic logic skills.
Disagree, that’s basically saying if you vote in your best interest you can’t complain.
What the actual fuck
Especially if they tried to blame objectors
I was a “blue no matter who”, why not?
Frankly, I agree. I just want health insurance, weed to be legal and I want for employers to be stripped of some of the freedoms they are abusing to destroy the economy and this country as a whole. I don’t give a fuck who they bomb in the middle east in exchange for it. I just want to be able to live my life. Too bad not enough people voted blue no matter who.
This is why America is going to get a totalitarian purge. It’s also why it probably deserves one, we’re just going to end up doing it reverse to bite it chuckling and moving on with their day like this asshole.
“If I keep chasing the carrot on a stick, I’m sure they’ll let me get it eventually.”
…who they bomb in the Middle East in exchange…
Or who they deport, or the misogyny, or the racism, or the abandonment of health and science and climate.
Quite an American response.
I’m sorry I know this impeachment is important to all your emotional needs after feeling bullied and all, but it would be extremely helpful to Trump.
Bear with me please. Here’s how impeachment actually works:
- Trump does something terrible that is extremely unpopular.
- Outrage forces Democrats to impeach him.
- Because impeachment requires a 2/3 majority, which is literally unobtainable for Democrats even after the midterms, there’s absolutely no chance whatsoever he gets convicted, so he wins at the Senate.
- Trump declares victory, says the whole thing was a hoax.
- (This is the key) Low information voters regard the issue as now settled in Trump’s favor.
- No one talks about the illegal war, leading the Jan 6 riot, or trying to corruptly shake down Zelensky again, because these are all now worthless as attacks against Trump.
See the last two impeachments. There’s no way this works well. American democracy sucks, but realize it’s a game. You can’t win at poker by playing every hand, no matter how much you deserve to win. Impeachment is a 2-7 off suit. Fold it on sight.
It most certainly is a game. It’s a game where anything is on the table for making sure the bad guys lose.
I would be more willing to accept that this is a good time to fold if the Dems went for the eyes or throat on other occasions. But they do not.
Fair enough, but this is the opposite of going for the eyes and throat. This is attacking Trump where he’s least vulnerable. It’s an uphill frontal assault on Trump Castle, armed with a nerf gun. The best you can hope for is a valiant effort.
Better option would be they should stop pretending they have power, and go out there in the media and into communities and yell about how Republicans have too much power, and need it taken away.
He’s still useful to Israel. Bibi has some Raytheon catalog pages he circled items on.
Jesus McFucking Christ.
Might as well let trump win. Maybe a few more assassinations will wake the dems up.
Welp There it is, on record, Both sides are the same.
Liberals are against every war except the current one.
